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Skatanic.:

I just don't understand pro-life. A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child. It's not alive yet.
That's like saying for every month you don't get pregnant, you're killing. If you hadn't had sex, that fetus would not be there in the first place - is that killing, too?
Pro-choice all the way.

As for the decision making, whether one can veto another's decision, that's difficult and I have no idea. :/

I don't really get that logic.
Are you insinuating that when people don't have sex, that they are "technically" killing a child?
Because, uh, no.
If you hadn't had sex the fetus would not be there because it would an unfertalized egg.
Which remains in the mother.

and "A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child."
This is just me, probably, and I'm sure can be backed up way better but all I can think of is, to compare it to this sentence:

"Pluto isn't a planet. it's a dwarf planet"

and again: "A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child"
To me, that's still a child.

Skatanic.:

I just don't understand pro-life. A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child. It's not alive yet.
That's like saying for every month you don't get pregnant, you're killing. If you hadn't had sex, that fetus would not be there in the first place - is that killing, too?
Pro-choice all the way.

As for the decision making, whether one can veto another's decision, that's difficult and I have no idea. :/

"I just don't understand pro-life. A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child. It's not alive yet."

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a fetus start being alive at about 8 weeks?
You can have an abortion up until about 20 weeks into your pregnancy.
That's not a "potential-child" It's a living child.

Stevie Bloodbath:

Skatanic.:

I just don't understand pro-life. A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child. It's not alive yet.
That's like saying for every month you don't get pregnant, you're killing. If you hadn't had sex, that fetus would not be there in the first place - is that killing, too?
Pro-choice all the way.

As for the decision making, whether one can veto another's decision, that's difficult and I have no idea. :/

"I just don't understand pro-life. A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child. It's not alive yet."

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a fetus start being alive at about 8 weeks?
You can have an abortion up until about 20 weeks into your pregnancy.
That's not a "potential-child" It's a living child.

The fetus is not a child until it has left the uterus. And up until that time, it is basically a parasite, living off the mother's resources without giving anything in return.

Ol' Blue Eyes.:

Stevie Bloodbath:

Skatanic.:

I just don't understand pro-life. A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child. It's not alive yet.
That's like saying for every month you don't get pregnant, you're killing. If you hadn't had sex, that fetus would not be there in the first place - is that killing, too?
Pro-choice all the way.

As for the decision making, whether one can veto another's decision, that's difficult and I have no idea. :/

"I just don't understand pro-life. A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child. It's not alive yet."

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a fetus start being alive at about 8 weeks?
You can have an abortion up until about 20 weeks into your pregnancy.
That's not a "potential-child" It's a living child.

The fetus is not a child until it has left the uterus. And up until that time, it is basically a parasite, living off the mother's resources without giving anything in return.

it's still alive.
and still perfectly able to grow into a child.

Misanthropist:

Skatanic.:

I just don't understand pro-life. A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child. It's not alive yet.
That's like saying for every month you don't get pregnant, you're killing. If you hadn't had sex, that fetus would not be there in the first place - is that killing, too?
Pro-choice all the way.

As for the decision making, whether one can veto another's decision, that's difficult and I have no idea. :/

I don't really get that logic.
Are you insinuating that when people don't have sex, that they are "technically" killing a child?
Because, uh, no.
If you hadn't had sex the fetus would not be there because it would an unfertalized egg.
Which remains in the mother.

and "A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child."
This is just me, probably, and I'm sure can be backed up way better but all I can think of is, to compare it to this sentence:

"Pluto isn't a planet. it's a dwarf planet"

and again: "A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child"
To me, that's still a child.

No, I was comparing not having sex to an abortion. I was insinuating that neither is killing, imo.
The egg would leave the mother if its unfertilized, no? It would not develop into a child. Which is the same for an aborted fetus.

An egg is a potential-child, too. If supplied the sperm, it is capable of growing into a child. Is an egg a child? No. *shrug*

Stevie Bloodbath:

Ol' Blue Eyes.:

Stevie Bloodbath:

Skatanic.:

I just don't understand pro-life. A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child. It's not alive yet.
That's like saying for every month you don't get pregnant, you're killing. If you hadn't had sex, that fetus would not be there in the first place - is that killing, too?
Pro-choice all the way.

As for the decision making, whether one can veto another's decision, that's difficult and I have no idea. :/

"I just don't understand pro-life. A fetus is not a child. It's a potential-child. It's not alive yet."

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't a fetus start being alive at about 8 weeks?
You can have an abortion up until about 20 weeks into your pregnancy.
That's not a "potential-child" It's a living child.

The fetus is not a child until it has left the uterus. And up until that time, it is basically a parasite, living off the mother's resources without giving anything in return.

it's still alive.
and still perfectly able to grow into a child.

To grow into a child. It isn't a child, and basically lives off of its mother. If the woman doesn't want to have a parasite inside of her, it should be well within her rights to get rid of it.

And as to the fetus being alive, well. Ants are alive, and we still kill them. All manner of bugs are alive, and we kill them. In my mind, it's the exact same thing. An unwanted organism.

Dude.
Parasite is such a gross and generic sci-fi term.
I really hate it. You're trying to use that term to demean the image of a foetus and it's not fair, because not all natural parasites are negative things anyway.

Ol' Blue Eyes.:

An unwanted organism.

There are pleanty of unwanted organisms that are for some reason still alive. Geogre Bush, Felicien Kabuga, Nikola Jorgic, etc., but it's not like everyone should go and lynch them. I'd prefer any unwanted child over these guys.

Bloodraine:

Dude.
Parasite is such a gross and generic sci-fi term.
I really hate it. You're trying to use that term to demean the image of a foetus and it's not fair, because not all natural parasites are negative things anyway.

I am most certainly not. Don't presume to tell me how I meant to use the word. The relationship between a mother and a fetus is parasitic, and that's all I meant.

Maybe you associate the word with sci-fi, but I don't. It's a scientific term and that's how I meant it.

Anji:

Ol' Blue Eyes.:

An unwanted organism.

There are pleanty of unwanted organisms that are for some reason still alive. Geogre Bush, Felicien Kabuga, Nikola Jorgic, etc., but it's not like everyone should go and lynch them. I'd prefer any unwanted child over these guys.

But the mother would have to deal with pregnancy, then provide and care for the unwanted child, and I don't think it's right to demand such from her.

@ George Bush.

I think this arguement really comes down to two things; the question of when life begins, and the unattractive lifestyle that a baby requires becaue of all that money they drain from you.

The first is an opinion really. However the second is just a sort of over protectiveness people have for other people's babies. I know it isn't much but it still is sufficient enough if you have child welfare checks and such. My mother got them and my family has gotten along fine. The government does supply a small amount of help and it's not just the mother who can take care of the baby. They're called parents and they typically come in twos, a mother and a father.

Ol' Blue Eyes.:

@ George Bush.

Well, it's true. Though I think I'm going to get shit for putting his name with the rest of them.

This is a bit off topic, but there's an article on a website that goes "Abortion doesn't kill babies--Unaborted Babies Kill People." And it goes on about how Osama bin Laden and such are all unaborted babies.

lyrical_mess:

This is a bit off topic, but there's an article on a website that goes "Abortion doesn't kill babies--Unaborted Babies Kill People." And it goes on about how Osama bin Laden and such are all unaborted babies.

How absolutely idiotic.

Anji:

I think this arguement really comes down to two things; the question of when life begins, and the unattractive lifestyle that a baby requires becaue of all that money they drain from you.

The first is an opinion really. However the second is just a sort of over protectiveness people have for other people's babies. I know it isn't much but it still is sufficient enough if you have child welfare checks and such. My mother got them and my family has gotten along fine. The government does supply a small amount of help and it's not just the mother who can take care of the baby. They're called parents and they typically come in twos, a mother and a father.

Not really Technically the egg cell is a living cell before its even fertilized, its always alive. The only thing thats an opinion is when you think that life starts to matter. Personally, I don't think I have the right to say "Oh yeah, you're not viable yet, sorry. Proceeed with the killing"

Sorry if any pr0-ch0ic3 people dislike the term killing; but its perfectly correct. Abortions kills life. If you don't believe its murder, thats your opnion, but it does kill life. You can't sugar coat that.

Anji:

Ol' Blue Eyes.:

@ George Bush.

Well, it's true. Though I think I'm going to get shit for putting his name with the rest of them.

Still. It's true.

Kurtni:

Not really Technically the egg cell is a living cell before its even fertilized, its always alive. The only thing thats an opinion is when you think that life starts to matter. Personally, I don't think I have the right to say "Oh yeah, you're not viable yet, sorry. Proceeed with the killing"

Sorry if any pr0-ch0ic3 people dislike the term killing; but its perfectly correct. Abortions kills life. If you don't believe its murder, thats your opnion, but it does kill life. You can't sugar coat that.

Pro-abortion people could argue that since the cell does not have a full set of chromosones, it's not really even a proper cell. They also argue that a fetus is a 'parasite' because it needs to be kept alive by feeding on another organisms supply of nutrients and stuff. I know that that opinion is absurd, and I know that you know that as well, this is why I say that it comes down to opinion. Of course, when I say 'opinion' I mean the blatant ignorance of fact just to benefit ones own views.

Lookie. It isn't even a foetus. It's an icky nasty sticky meanie parasite! eww!

The funny thing is, in probably 90% of all cases, that parasite is there voluntarily, too.

I really severely dislike the Pro-life group because they believe that even pregnancies resulting from rapes should not be eradicated.

I used to be a member of pro-life when I was 11 until I found that out and immediately converted to pro-choice because of that.

That reminds me, I forgot I had pages of pro choice stickers somewhere I was planning to bombard my old school with :[

Christie__x:

I really severely dislike the Pro-life group because they believe that even pregnancies resulting from rapes should not be eradicated.

You have that as a fact, do you?