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July 22nd, 2011 at 12:22pm
I was merely stating my opinion. By hunting I meant the sport. Some people who still live around forests go hunting, make their own meat products and so on, which is better than buying "meat" from some chain store that you don't even know what it's made out of or what's actually added to it (colouring etc). As for protection.. there can never be a perfect society which means that someone will go crazy even if you eliminate guns. You need to be able to protect yourself. Granted that we develop a way of instant neutralisation should we be attacked that does a) not harm the attacker but stops them and b) would never be used in warfare (granted that wars will also be a matter of history by then).

I know that being cynical about doesn't lead to a solution, but naivity and wishful thinking without a realistic approach don't either.
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July 22nd, 2011 at 12:29pm
PaNcAkEs:
I was merely stating my opinion. By hunting I meant the sport. Some people who still live around forests go hunting, make their own meat products and so on, which is better than buying "meat" from some chain store that you don't even know what it's made out of or what's actually added to it (colouring etc). As for protection.. there can never be a perfect society which means that someone will go crazy even if you eliminate guns. You need to be able to protect yourself. Granted that we develop a way of instant neutralisation should we be attacked that does a) not harm the attacker but stops them and b) would never be used in warfare (granted that wars will also be a matter of history by then).

I know that being cynical about doesn't lead to a solution, but naivity and wishful thinking without a realistic approach don't either.


Yes someone will go crazy, but they wouldn't be able to cause as many victims as they would with a gun.

You can protect your home by installing alarm/security systems. You can also (as I have stated before) obtain a taser or stun guns, these can be shot as well and they imobilise the attacker, until the police/authorities arrive and most of all are not lethal and are designed specifically for self-protection. To protect yourself on the street etc. I am pretty sure you can obtain pepper sprays.

Also, according to statistics, developed countries with more strict gun laws have smaller crime rates than those which don't, therefore I would like to say that it is true we don't live in a perfect society, but by attempting to eliminate these lethal objects such as guns from our lives, we would be able to avoid a lot of everyday crimes/accidents etc.
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July 25th, 2011 at 06:31pm
Surprised no-one has yet mentioned the role of guns in the Norway attacks yet - I think more people died on Utoya Island where a gun was used than in Oslo, where a car bomb was set off?
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July 26th, 2011 at 05:35am
MAD CUNT:
Surprised no-one has yet mentioned the role of guns in the Norway attacks yet - I think more people died on Utoya Island where a gun was used than in Oslo, where a car bomb was set off?

I believe 7 people died from the explosion and 85 from the gun shootings.
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July 26th, 2011 at 09:08am
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MAD CUNT:
Surprised no-one has yet mentioned the role of guns in the Norway attacks yet - I think more people died on Utoya Island where a gun was used than in Oslo, where a car bomb was set off?

I believe 7 people died from the explosion and 85 from the gun shootings.

Actually, it was respectively 8 and around 70, but they're still looking around to be sure.
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July 27th, 2011 at 12:02am
PaNcAkEs:
Guns are okay for:
- hunting and self-protection.
Guns are not okay for:
- taking someone's life (read: homicide and war), keeping around the house.

Guns don't kill people, people do but people are weak and easily manipulated. Personally, the only way to end firearm-related violence is by eliminating firearms from our minds, which might also be a possibly solution for this big problem called war. But yeah, make love, not war, hahaha.

How do you think you're going to protect yourself with a gun if you haven't one at your disposal?
I agree with most of what you said haha, but you cannot protect yourself with something that isn't there.
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July 27th, 2011 at 12:04am
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MAD CUNT:
Surprised no-one has yet mentioned the role of guns in the Norway attacks yet - I think more people died on Utoya Island where a gun was used than in Oslo, where a car bomb was set off?

I believe 7 people died from the explosion and 85 from the gun shootings.

I'm sorry to say it but you can't just take a single incident, or any other isolated events such as school shootings, and say "Wow look guns are terrible wow they killed these people obvs we need to ban them."
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July 27th, 2011 at 03:49am
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MAD CUNT:
Surprised no-one has yet mentioned the role of guns in the Norway attacks yet - I think more people died on Utoya Island where a gun was used than in Oslo, where a car bomb was set off?

I believe 7 people died from the explosion and 85 from the gun shootings.

I'm sorry to say it but you can't just take a single incident, or any other isolated events such as school shootings, and say "Wow look guns are terrible wow they killed these people obvs we need to ban them."


Sure, but look in the past few years. As guns become more and more popular, so do these type of events.
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July 27th, 2011 at 11:00am
I gotta say, never in my life have I needed to protect myself from or with a gun... because others around me don't carry guns.
Which means if I wanna protect myself, I have to carry a knife, but no one else I know carries a knife, so I wouldn't have to protect myself from those, either...

Tbh i do live in a small-ish town, but the only real violent problems we've had are rapes, and that has been with threats and bare hands, no knives or guns, so if people went around with pepperspray or tazers, they could pacify the rapist and run away, yknow.
They'd prevent the rape (hopefully) and they wouldn't actually kill the other person.

Idk if that makes sense to you guys, but I hope it does.. I mean I get that if people around you carry guns, you'd wanna carry a gun or have a gun around your house..
But imagine if all guns were banned, you wouldn't have to carry a gun, because it would be such a small threat?
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July 28th, 2011 at 05:46pm
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I gotta say, never in my life have I needed to protect myself from or with a gun... because others around me don't carry guns.
Which means if I wanna protect myself, I have to carry a knife, but no one else I know carries a knife, so I wouldn't have to protect myself from those, either...

Tbh i do live in a small-ish town, but the only real violent problems we've had are rapes, and that has been with threats and bare hands, no knives or guns, so if people went around with pepperspray or tazers, they could pacify the rapist and run away, yknow.
They'd prevent the rape (hopefully) and they wouldn't actually kill the other person.

Idk if that makes sense to you guys, but I hope it does.. I mean I get that if people around you carry guns, you'd wanna carry a gun or have a gun around your house..
But imagine if all guns were banned, you wouldn't have to carry a gun, because it would be such a small threat?

Well, that's fantastic that you feel so safe in your country, or wherever you live.
But that's not the case here. Yes, we have guns, and yes, people can use them to murder. But here we have the choice! We have the choice to protect ourselves with a gun. Here, people could come at you with a knife -- just like in your country -- but here, we have the choice. Those who don't have a gun, can use a knife, and that's all fine and dandy. But those who want a sure-fire way of protection should be able to get one. And they can. And for some reason, people think it's okay to say, "No, I think we need the Government to take away more of our rights!"
The point is this. You can argue around in circles as much as you want. You're perfectly allowed to have your opinion, just like we are perfectly allowed to own a gun, and if you don't like it, don't come to our country.
It's that simple. Idgi. It's that simple! We have the Second Amendment assuring us the right to a gun! Case closed!
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July 28th, 2011 at 05:49pm
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MAD CUNT:
Surprised no-one has yet mentioned the role of guns in the Norway attacks yet - I think more people died on Utoya Island where a gun was used than in Oslo, where a car bomb was set off?

I believe 7 people died from the explosion and 85 from the gun shootings.

I'm sorry to say it but you can't just take a single incident, or any other isolated events such as school shootings, and say "Wow look guns are terrible wow they killed these people obvs we need to ban them."


Sure, but look in the past few years. As guns become more and more popular, so do these type of events.

But they're not becoming more popular. They're just as available as they were 10 years ago, 20 years ago.
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July 28th, 2011 at 06:34pm
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I gotta say, never in my life have I needed to protect myself from or with a gun... because others around me don't carry guns.
Which means if I wanna protect myself, I have to carry a knife, but no one else I know carries a knife, so I wouldn't have to protect myself from those, either...

Tbh i do live in a small-ish town, but the only real violent problems we've had are rapes, and that has been with threats and bare hands, no knives or guns, so if people went around with pepperspray or tazers, they could pacify the rapist and run away, yknow.
They'd prevent the rape (hopefully) and they wouldn't actually kill the other person.

Idk if that makes sense to you guys, but I hope it does.. I mean I get that if people around you carry guns, you'd wanna carry a gun or have a gun around your house..
But imagine if all guns were banned, you wouldn't have to carry a gun, because it would be such a small threat?

Well, that's fantastic that you feel so safe in your country, or wherever you live.
But that's not the case here. Yes, we have guns, and yes, people can use them to murder. But here we have the choice! We have the choice to protect ourselves with a gun. Here, people could come at you with a knife -- just like in your country -- but here, we have the choice. Those who don't have a gun, can use a knife, and that's all fine and dandy. But those who want a sure-fire way of protection should be able to get one. And they can. And for some reason, people think it's okay to say, "No, I think we need the Government to take away more of our rights!"
The point is this. You can argue around in circles as much as you want. You're perfectly allowed to have your opinion, just like we are perfectly allowed to own a gun, and if you don't like it, don't come to our country.
It's that simple. Idgi. It's that simple! We have the Second Amendment assuring us the right to a gun! Case closed!

Fine, you have the right to have a gun. So does everyone else you know (im guessing they have to be over 18?)
But try and think of it as not someone taking away your right or liberty...
Try and think of it more as a safety measure yknow?
I know we're probably in different mindsets, and you probably think I'm a socialist hippie or something, but if there are rules, they're supposed to protect every one..
If no one had guns, there would be less things to worry about, you know?

I mean you talk a lot about rights, and I get that.. but what do you really need that right for? You also talk a lot about protection, but if only policemen and military had access to guns... as someone else pointed out, you have to be pretty close by someone in order to stab them with a knife.. there's also tazers and pepperspray to pacify someone with out killing or even wounding them.
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July 28th, 2011 at 08:40pm
It is fun to believe that the act of banning guns wouldn't be taking away a liberty, but it is.
And I would never take you to be a socialist hippie unless you say you are!
What do we really need the protection for? It's a good feeling, to know you have protection in your house. It is a good feeling to know that if somebody happens to threaten you, you can protect yourself. In the moments you can't get a phone, the moments you can't call, you can be protecting yourself -- saving your life.
You don't have to have a gun. Those who want them, will. That's the truth of it.
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July 29th, 2011 at 05:46am
Oh... it takes away the liberty of killing someone?

There are many ways to protect yourself, I don't understand how having a gun in your house could make anyone feel good, but I guess it's different for people raised in gun culture.
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July 29th, 2011 at 10:58am
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It is fun to believe that the act of banning guns wouldn't be taking away a liberty, but it is.
And I would never take you to be a socialist hippie unless you say you are!
What do we really need the protection for? It's a good feeling, to know you have protection in your house. It is a good feeling to know that if somebody happens to threaten you, you can protect yourself. In the moments you can't get a phone, the moments you can't call, you can be protecting yourself -- saving your life.
You don't have to have a gun. Those who want them, will. That's the truth of it.
you keep ignoring non-lethal weapons though, like pepperspray and tazers. That's also protection, that won't kill people, but it gives you time to get away and get to a phone etc
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July 29th, 2011 at 02:09pm
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Oh... it takes away the liberty of killing someone?

There are many ways to protect yourself, I don't understand how having a gun in your house could make anyone feel good, but I guess it's different for people raised in gun culture.

It takes away the liberty of protection. Argue all you want but that's what a gun is used for (in addition to killing, yes, I know).

Good for you! Don't own a gun then!
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July 29th, 2011 at 02:10pm
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The Joker.:
It is fun to believe that the act of banning guns wouldn't be taking away a liberty, but it is.
And I would never take you to be a socialist hippie unless you say you are!
What do we really need the protection for? It's a good feeling, to know you have protection in your house. It is a good feeling to know that if somebody happens to threaten you, you can protect yourself. In the moments you can't get a phone, the moments you can't call, you can be protecting yourself -- saving your life.
You don't have to have a gun. Those who want them, will. That's the truth of it.
you keep ignoring non-lethal weapons though, like pepperspray and tazers. That's also protection, that won't kill people, but it gives you time to get away and get to a phone etc

Then you go ahead and get yourself pepper spray and whatever else you want to use. I never said the only way to protect yourself was with a gun, I said that one of the best ways to protect yourself is with a gun.
Like I also said, you don't have to have a gun. That's fine and dandy. Don't get one. Those who want one, will.
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July 29th, 2011 at 02:55pm
But if there are various efficient ways to protect yourself. What do you need a gun for? It only remains to be used for its main and intended purpose of killing.
It is naive to believe that banning guns is the same as banning the liberty of protection.
Just imagine the world, the crime rate, if everyone had a gun compared to society if no one had one. Especially as their existance is not really necessary anymore. Just use some common sense, how would you feel more safe?
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July 29th, 2011 at 03:35pm
Is it a fact that, when you shoot a gun, you kill? No. You can injure. You can delay. You can protect. I'm sorry, but that's a fact.
And in what sense did I imply that with no guns there is no protection? I said that owning a gun is a great way to protect yourself, but you wouldn't know, because you don't own a gun.
I've already told you that gun control doesn't reduce crime and I advise you read the facts.
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July 29th, 2011 at 03:49pm
How do you evaluate the protection coefficient of different weapons? How are guns greater than the other methods of protection?
And you implied it by stating the fact that banning guns takes away the freedom of protection when in fact it doesn't.
I'm sure in the previous pages i have posted numerous links on how it does, on how reducing the number of guns has helped reduce crime rate etc, however you have chosen to ignore that.
Fine you're an american and you're proud, you own a gun and you're proud, we get it. But don't try to make it look like it's the right way or it's a vital necesity. Because on this thread there are also plenty of comments from people of various countries, including me, who have never owned a gun or have ever felt the need to own one, so how come other people in a civilised country would? It's something i can't understand, but suit yourself.

Oh and also, you wouldn't know either, because you never came across a situation where you had to protect yourself with a gun.
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