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PinkFloyd
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Posts: 127 | July 2nd, 2009 at 08:45am fatty:his other albums must have been good for people to have bought them hundreds of thousands of times over
Yes, that's the whole reason why i am saying he is a bit overated... |
tomamazon
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  | July 2nd, 2009 at 02:23pm Northern Reject:fatty:his other albums must have been good for people to have bought them hundreds of thousands of times over
Yes, that's the whole reason why i am saying he is a bit overated...
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he's overrated because his albums are good? i dont understand what you're saying. |
The Bears Are Coming
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Posts: 16757 | July 2nd, 2009 at 02:54pm fatty:Northern Reject:fatty:his other albums must have been good for people to have bought them hundreds of thousands of times over
Yes, that's the whole reason why i am saying he is a bit overated...
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he's overrated because his albums are good? i dont understand what you're saying.
her point was that he's overrated cause his albums are bought that much though they're not that good |
Jay Tee
Had A Life Before GSB
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| July 2nd, 2009 at 03:03pm ....
But they are good. Timeless classics. |
PinkFloyd
Geek
Age: 32
Gender: Female
Posts: 127 | July 2nd, 2009 at 03:21pm Not every album, 'Thriller', 'Bad'. |
tomamazon
GSBitch
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Gender: Female
Posts: 68084
| July 4th, 2009 at 05:50pm I Am The Arsonist:
her point was that he's overrated cause his albums are bought that much though they're not that good
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clark
GSBitch
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Posts: 79047 | July 4th, 2009 at 07:31pm FKLASDMAL SIAN
ANYWAY GUYS SERIOUSLY do you even understand what 'overrated' is? it means when something is appraised too highly, like all the twilight shit right now, or when mcr brought out the black parade and EVERYONE got sucked in and was too far up gway's arse to see that it wasnt all that astounding. mj's music on the other hand is totally deserving and worthy of the hype surrounding it so shut your lips jc |
Viva La Curry
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Age: 34
Gender: Female
Posts: 386 | July 5th, 2009 at 10:45am DEAN WINCHESTER:FKLASDMAL SIAN
ANYWAY GUYS SERIOUSLY do you even understand what 'overrated' is? it means when something is appraised too highly, like all the twilight shit right now, or when mcr brought out the black parade and EVERYONE got sucked in and was too far up gway's arse to see that it wasnt all that astounding. mj's music on the other hand is totally deserving and worthy of the hype surrounding it so shut your lips jc Well Said!!!! |
chump
Falling In Love With The Board
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Posts: 7189 | July 6th, 2009 at 12:51pm Northern Reject:Jay Tee:Over 750million records sold worldwide
3 timeless albums in a row: Off the Wall, Thriller, Bad
An immensely brilliant entertainer
Pushed dance moves forward and onto a bigger generation
Made the music video what it is today - did pretty much everything before it was done in that sense
Influenced most if not all R&B performers of today
First black person to regularly perform on MTV - basically he was music's answer to Martin Luther King
His legacy will be up there with Elvis and The Beatles Yes he was a 'Great Entertainer' (that has nothing to do with the music?) thriller was great, he only had one good album, he just turned into a crashing bore.
750mil records sold yes, popularity does not always mean that the person is absolutely amazing, the beatles sold less albums, they were better.
what has being black and all that to do with being a good musician? we all should stop about skin colours 'cause the conversation about it just leads to more seperation
so heres the support: I agree with you, Northern Reject.
selling billions of records and having fans who follow you dont make you a good musician. of course now one should answer the question: what makes you a good musician? - that can never be answered 'cause its a subjective thing.
i think he was a good entertainer... and all. but its always the same when someone dies. people go crazy, run into cd shops and buy cds, though they didnt care about the artist before. its ridiculous. we all know he had great singles and? what about the other songs? im sure not half of the people know them. (i dont either.)
i went out on friday and they played 3 of his songs in the club. i never heard them there before. yea, its nice and people should remember him. and i also heard the news and thought: god, michael jacksons dead... its like when elvis died. (not that i was there when he died)
but all in all people make a big thing out of it and its always more of a media thing than anything else. i mean, come on: tickets for his funeral? the last picture of him in the ambulance? - thats a disgusting thing. they even had to take a pic of him dying!
and now that hes dead no ones allowed to say anything bad about him anymore and that sucks. people should be more honest and dont just follow the crowd and go buy michael jackson shirts etc. now...
its exactely the same with buying band shirts at H&M of bands you havent heard a single song from (ac/dc, rolling stones, led zeppelin), cause its "cool" to wear them. and now its cool to like michael jackson...
i love the beatles and elvis, but i also think that they are highly overrated. all the big bands mostly are...
i just say: lyrics (cause thats what matters to me @ good musician) |
tomamazon
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| July 6th, 2009 at 01:07pm chump:
what has being black and all that to do with being a good musician? we all should stop about skin colours 'cause the conversation about it just leads to more seperation
so heres the support: I agree with you, Northern Reject.
selling billions of records and having fans who follow you dont make you a good musician. of course now one should answer the question: what makes you a good musician? - that can never be answered 'cause its a subjective thing.
i think he was a good entertainer... and all. but its always the same when someone dies. people go crazy, run into cd shops and buy cds, though they didnt care about the artist before. its ridiculous. we all know he had great singles and? what about the other songs? im sure not half of the people know them. (i dont either.)
i went out on friday and they played 3 of his songs in the club. i never heard them there before. yea, its nice and people should remember him. and i also heard the news and thought: god, michael jacksons dead... its like when elvis died. (not that i was there when he died)
but all in all people make a big thing out of it and its always more of a media thing than anything else. i mean, come on: tickets for his funeral? the last picture of him in the ambulance? - thats a disgusting thing. they even had to take a pic of him dying!
and now that hes dead no ones allowed to say anything bad about him anymore and that sucks. people should be more honest and dont just follow the crowd and go buy michael jackson shirts etc. now...
its exactely the same with buying band shirts at H&M of bands you havent heard a single song from (ac/dc, rolling stones, led zeppelin), cause its "cool" to wear them. and now its cool to like michael jackson...
i love the beatles and elvis, but i also think that they are highly overrated. all the big bands mostly are...
i just say: lyrics (cause thats what matters to me @ good musician)
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clark
GSBitch
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Posts: 79047 | July 6th, 2009 at 02:20pm chump:what has being black and all that to do with being a good musician? we all should stop about skin colours 'cause the conversation about it just leads to more seperation
so heres the support: I agree with you, Northern Reject.
selling billions of records and having fans who follow you dont make you a good musician. of course now one should answer the question: what makes you a good musician? - that can never be answered 'cause its a subjective thing.
i think he was a good entertainer... and all. but its always the same when someone dies. people go crazy, run into cd shops and buy cds, though they didnt care about the artist before. its ridiculous. we all know he had great singles and? what about the other songs? im sure not half of the people know them. (i dont either.)
i went out on friday and they played 3 of his songs in the club. i never heard them there before. yea, its nice and people should remember him. and i also heard the news and thought: god, michael jacksons dead... its like when elvis died. (not that i was there when he died)
but all in all people make a big thing out of it and its always more of a media thing than anything else. i mean, come on: tickets for his funeral? the last picture of him in the ambulance? - thats a disgusting thing. they even had to take a pic of him dying!
and now that hes dead no ones allowed to say anything bad about him anymore and that sucks. people should be more honest and dont just follow the crowd and go buy michael jackson shirts etc. now...
its exactely the same with buying band shirts at H&M of bands you havent heard a single song from (ac/dc, rolling stones, led zeppelin), cause its "cool" to wear them. and now its cool to like michael jackson...
i love the beatles and elvis, but i also think that they are highly overrated. all the big bands mostly are...
i just say: lyrics (cause thats what matters to me @ good musician)  |
chump
Falling In Love With The Board
Age: -
Gender: Female
Posts: 7189 | July 6th, 2009 at 03:00pm okay -_-
then dont say anything productive. |
tomamazon
GSBitch
Age: 28
Gender: Female
Posts: 68084
| July 6th, 2009 at 03:44pm chump:okay -_-
then dont say anything productive. i am just saying he's great |
clark
GSBitch
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Posts: 79047 | July 6th, 2009 at 03:48pm sry i wanted my own thing so bad i had to scream |
Jay Tee
Had A Life Before GSB
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Posts: 26777
| July 7th, 2009 at 07:02am chump:what has being black and all that to do with being a good musician? we all should stop about skin colours 'cause the conversation about it just leads to more seperation
so heres the support: I agree with you, Northern Reject.
selling billions of records and having fans who follow you dont make you a good musician. of course now one should answer the question: what makes you a good musician? - that can never be answered 'cause its a subjective thing.
i think he was a good entertainer... and all. but its always the same when someone dies. people go crazy, run into cd shops and buy cds, though they didnt care about the artist before. its ridiculous. we all know he had great singles and? what about the other songs? im sure not half of the people know them. (i dont either.)
i went out on friday and they played 3 of his songs in the club. i never heard them there before. yea, its nice and people should remember him. and i also heard the news and thought: god, michael jacksons dead... its like when elvis died. (not that i was there when he died)
but all in all people make a big thing out of it and its always more of a media thing than anything else. i mean, come on: tickets for his funeral? the last picture of him in the ambulance? - thats a disgusting thing. they even had to take a pic of him dying!
and now that hes dead no ones allowed to say anything bad about him anymore and that sucks. people should be more honest and dont just follow the crowd and go buy michael jackson shirts etc. now...
its exactely the same with buying band shirts at H&M of bands you havent heard a single song from (ac/dc, rolling stones, led zeppelin), cause its "cool" to wear them. and now its cool to like michael jackson...
i love the beatles and elvis, but i also think that they are highly overrated. all the big bands mostly are...
i just say: lyrics (cause thats what matters to me @ good musician)
Alrighty...
First of all the fact that he extended his influence beyond that of music immediately makes race significant. Thanks to him, people began accepting coloured pop stars on channels, which was pretty much unheard of before. He's paved the way for pretty much every black person who has ever become a pop star since. Pretty big influence for someone who's supposedly incredibly over-rated.
The rest of your post pretty much rambles through the whole process of a superstar dying, and tbh I've heard most of it before. Nothing really original in there but I'll answer a few of your points.
A lot of people loved his music for yeas, just they hadn't bought every single album. They probably owned Thriller or Bad or a greatest hits but wanted to go out and sample his other stuff. Just because there's a huge surge in record sales doesn't mean people never cared when he was alive. He sold over 750 million records worldwide - more than even the Beatles. I'm pretty sure that's an indication that a lot of people cared.
By all means, say something bad about him, but if you're talking about him being over rated as an artist and an entertainer, then you're pretty much treading on ground you shouldn't be on. Yes, record sales don't always mean that the musician is brilliant. For example I still don't know why the latest Coldplay album has sold 8m copies... But then if you look at some of the super-selling albums of all time, then you're looking at some classic albums in there. Back In Black, Dark Side of the Moon, Sgt Peppers; true there's some that are not to everyone's taste and some strange inclusions, but the fact is that MJ has 5 albums in the top 75 biggest selling albums of all time, more than any other artist. A few bands might have one absolute mega-hit of an album, such as Linkin Park or Fleetwood Mac, but having FIVE in there must mean he was doing something right musically.
The thing about the album tracks continues on from my point about people rushing out to buy albums once someone dies. They've probably loved Michael Jackson in a smaller way for his whole career, perhaps only buying Thriller/Bad and a greatest hits and now realise just how much they like him and want to go and appreciate him more. Some of his singles really entered the public conciousness though - Billie Jean, Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, Smooth Criminal, Man in the Mirror, Leave Me Alone, Beat It, Bad, You Are Not Alone, Wanna Be Starting Something, The Way You Make Me Feel, She's Out of My Life, You Rock My World, Dirty Diana, Black Or White, Earth Song, They Don't Care About Us... jesus, just listing these songs made me realise again just how brilliant he really was. As for his album tracks, some of them are just as good. Get On the Floor, Dangerous, Can't Let Her Get Away... to be honest its harder to think of the album tracks simply because he ended up releasing pretty much every song from his albums and being successful with pretty much every one.
I agree with you that the whole media circus surrounding his death is disgusting though. They're using his death to dig up as much as they can about his private life to sell papers, which just isn't right. Just leave him alone ffs. The media always end up exploiting people that are famous, and perhaps this is what gives you your sense of him being over-rated. You're fed up with looking at front pages and headlines and only seeing MJ-related news, and thus you come on here and tell us all why he's over-rated. Well if you take him as a musician and an entertainer, which is what he was, then you'll find he's very far indeed from being over-rated. |
Matt Smith
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| July 7th, 2009 at 07:47am chump:but all in all people make a big thing out of it and its always more of a media thing than anything else. i mean, come on: tickets for his funeral? the last picture of him in the ambulance? - thats a disgusting thing. they even had to take a pic of him dying!)
This is a problem with our vapid and rabid obsession with celebrity culture, rather than Michael Jackson himself being overrated.
We have become consumers not merely of people's music but of their lives. Part of the reason why Michael Jackson was so fucked up is fame. He didn't have a normal life, he was a star from the age of five. Yet we castigated him for being abnormal, a freak - but could you blame him? He never experienced the real world yet the real world abused him for this. Fame, in all probablity, irreparably subverted reality for him. His entire life was swallowed by celebrity before he even had a choice. I don't know why, but I find this incredibly upsetting. I find it almost tragic. Whether Michael Jackson is overrated or not, we, as a culture, created him in our image. And if that image is distasteful then it is the image of what we have become.
I agree that it is disgusting but as long as the market exists, OK! will print these pictures. If there was no macabre demand then there would be no supply.
This doesn't have much to do with the actual thread but I've been thinking about this for a while and I needed to say it. |
Jay Tee
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| July 7th, 2009 at 07:52am I agree completely, Meg. |
tomamazon
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| July 8th, 2009 at 05:09pm either way right
he was amazing |
asthenia.
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| August 2nd, 2009 at 06:17am Kings of Leon. 
At least where I live, they are. |
Jay Tee
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| August 2nd, 2009 at 10:22am The new album is terrible and one of the most over rated records of the last few years.
I love the first three albums, but the new one overshadows their earlier output so monumentally with its awfulness that I've started to go off them. |
