US President elections 2008.

Shadow of a Doubt:

Bloodraine:

Maybe Republicans are making more mistakes and people don't want to admit that.
To make a completely obvious point.

I don't think that is an accurate statement.

Democrats make just as many mistakes as Republicans. You just think that they makes more mistakes because you are all Democrats. You don't have any prove that they make mistakes. Plus, it depends on what you consider a mistake.

Anyway, back on topic. I think Palin did an amazing job on her speech last week.

Excuse me, but I'm not a Democrat. Just because I post in this thread and show an interest in American politics, does not make me American, or aligned with any American political parties. I find the presumption that I am somewhat offensive. I am British and am of no political party, so I think I am pretty neutral on this matter.

I don't see how you can seriously say that I don't have any proof that Republicans make mistakes, though. My main argument would be that unless I'm missing something big, Republicans are actually humans and humans are pretty fallible. But in addition to that, I'm hoping that John McCain really is aware that there is no such thing as the Pakistan-Iraq border, because that is rather factually inaccurate.

Bloodraine:

I'm hoping that John McCain really is aware that there is no such thing as the Pakistan-Iraq border, because that is rather factually inaccurate.

Yes there is and he is very concerned about the trouble there

Franny.:

Let's let up a bit and give the Pubs some room to breathe first =)major mistake the Obama campaign has made that's done a lot of damage...]

This is an election year- parties are supposed to be under immense scrutiny, so I'm definitely not going to let up on a party that I think has been destructive to the stability of the US for the past 8 years, sorry.

Kurtni:

This discussion is perfectly on topic, seeing as how it relates to the perspective of parties this election.
Can you share some of these mistakes Democrats have made? And what do you mean we have no proof? It would be quite easy for me to start rattling off McCain campaign quotes of them apologizing about various things and withdrawing and rephrasing comments they've made.

http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/507801.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/obamas_great_mistake_the_san_f.html


OOPS.


That was a little bit racist, don't you think?

This doesn't have anything to do with Democrats making mistakes, but Newt Gingrich totally owns a MSNBC reporter.

Bloodraine:

Excuse me, but I'm not a Democrat. Just because I post in this thread and show an interest in American politics, does not make me American, or aligned with any American political parties. I find the presumption that I am somewhat offensive. I am British and am of no political party, so I think I am pretty neutral on this matter.

I don't see how you can seriously say that I don't have any proof that Republicans make mistakes, though. My main argument would be that unless I'm missing something big, Republicans are actually humans and humans are pretty fallible. But in addition to that, I'm hoping that John McCain really is aware that there is no such thing as the Pakistan-Iraq border, because that is rather factually inaccurate.

One, I wasn't just referring to you. I was referring to 99% of the people that post on this thread. And two, if you were neutral on the matter then you wouldn't have said:

Bloodaine:

Maybe Republicans are making more mistakes and people don't want to admit that. To make a completely obvious point.

To me that is picking sides, because you are saying that Republicans make more mistakes. You didn't say anything about Democrats and their mistakes. You don't necessarily have to be American to pick a side either. It just depends on the side you agree with more. And apparently you agree with the Democrats more. Otherwise you wouldn't have said that.

You're ignoring the key word in my statement. I said 'maybe', and I use the word maybe to indicate something which is hypothetical. I didn't state a fact, I was just throwing it out there.

Reading the whole statement is always a good start if you're going to pick apart my words.

Furthermore, I didn't say anything about the Democrats making mistakes because I actually don't know any. If they have been reported here, then I've missed it. You have to excuse me for not following American politics with as much obsession as other people. However, what I do know is that you have conveniently failed to comment on John McCain's complete non-geography.

Bloodraine:

You're ignoring the key word in my statement. However, what I do know is that you have conveniently failed to comment on John McCain's complete non-geography.

So, what? He made a mistake. He probably does know that Pakistan and Iraq don't border. I say stuff like that all the time. I mean to say something, but my mind is racing so I mix up things. That doesn't mean anything. And this is just another example of people making a big deal about mistakes Republicans make. He could really think that Iraq and Pakistan are next to each other, but I don't think he is stupid. It was a verbal mistake!

Shadow of a Doubt:

Bloodraine:

You're ignoring the key word in my statement. However, what I do know is that you have conveniently failed to comment on John McCain's complete non-geography.

So, what? He made a mistake. He probably does know that Pakistan and Iraq don't border. I say stuff like that all the time. I mean to say something, but my mind is racing so I mix up things. That doesn't mean anything. And this is just another example of people making a big deal about mistakes Republicans make. He could really think that Iraq and Pakistan are next to each other, but I don't think he is stupid. It was a verbal mistake!

But we're not talking about you or any average American- we're talking about someone who wants to be the commander in chief. I'd say geographical knowledge is fairly important. And if it was simply a verbal mistake, then why the hell did he not correct himself?

Whilst I accept that not everyone shares my bizarre love of maps, I for one find it quite worrying that a man who aims to become the most powerful man in the world 'could really think that Iraq and Pakistan are next to eachother'. The implication is that if he does not even understand the geography of the region, how on earth is he going to go about solving the conflicts in such a sensitive part of the world.

Now, if Obama said exactly the same thing, don't you think it would be given the same media exposure? I think it would. I don't really understand how Republicans are being the victims in all of this. You have right and left wing media in America, correct?

So logically, both sides should have roughly the same treatment.

^ They have the same treatment, just in different places. Everywhere you get news is biased though so it never seems that way...

Kurtni:

Shadow of a Doubt:

So, what? He made a mistake. He probably does know that Pakistan and Iraq don't border. I say stuff like that all the time. I mean to say something, but my mind is racing so I mix up things. That doesn't mean anything. And this is just another example of people making a big deal about mistakes Republicans make. He could really think that Iraq and Pakistan are next to each other, but I don't think he is stupid. It was a verbal mistake!

But we're not talking about you or any average American- we're talking about someone who wants to be the commander in chief. I'd say geographical knowledge is fairly important. And if it was simply a verbal mistake, then why the hell did he not correct himself?

Maybe he didn't realize he made the mistake. When I make a mistake I don't always realized it until after it's to late to correct myself. And, yes, he wants to be the president, but he can't make a simple geographical mistake? If Obama did it, you wouldn't think anything of it.

Shadow of a Doubt:

If Obama did it, you wouldn't think anything of it.

You seem to work on assumptions a lot.

Anyway, on the English news this morning they said something about how Obama made a comment on Mccain's policies being like putting lipstick on a pig? When they first told the story, I thought that he said it about the Sarah Palin chick and I loled

Boobmeister:

Anyway, on the English news this morning they said something about how Obama made a comment on Mccain's policies being like putting lipstick on a pig? When they first told the story, I thought that he said it about the Sarah Palin chick and I loled

Obama said Mccain's policies were like "Putting lipstick on a pig", you know, meaning you could dress them up but they still sucked.

Sarah Palin made a comment during her acceptance speech saying "You know what the difference between a hockey mom and a pitt bull is? Lipstick."

So, the McCain campaign accused Obama of, well, calling palin a pig basically, because his comment had "rude undertones."

However, when it came to light that McCain made the exact same comparison about Hillary Clinton directly, his campaign decided it wasn't so rude after all and they stopped whining. :mr.green:

Kurtni:

Obama said Mccain's policies were like "Putting lipstick on a pig", you know, meaning you could dress them up but they still sucked.

Sarah Palin made a comment during her acceptance speech saying "You know what the difference between a hockey mom and a pitt bull is? Lipstick."

So, the McCain campaign accused Obama of, well, calling palin a pig basically, because his comment had "rude undertones."

However, when it came to light that McCain made the exact same comparison about Hillary Clinton directly, his campaign decided it wasn't so rude after all and they stopped whining. :mr.green:

oic

to be honest after sticking our economy in the shitter i feel perfectly entitled to complain about how republicans have performed in office in the last eight years

Apparently John McCain has decided to postpone the upcoming debate between himself and Obama. He also plans to "suspend" his campaign in order to deal with the US's financial problems and work to create a bipartisan solution. What do you guys think?

I personally don't understand why that would require him to postpone the debate and pretty much halt his entire campaign, but w/e.

oh yeah bottom of his class in college and has even said himself he doesn't know anything about the economy he'll be a huge help over there

to do what, hold somebody's hand?

Somebody has this to say on the Linkin Park Underground Message Board.

"This is what I dont get from young voters. I fully understand being upset with Bush but it seems like many people are voting Obama because <insert Republican name here> is just another Bush. Really? Who says Obama wont be another Johnson if elected?

What Obama voters should be questioning is how can Obama preach a platform of change when he chose a 5 or 6 term Senator as his VP? Maybe Sarah Palin wasnt McCain's best choice for VP but it backs up his claim that he wants to shake up DC by having a true outsider with him. Obama cant really say that anymore."

I like the way this person thinks.

Didn't McCain only meet Palin once before offering her the job?

being "an outsider?" how would that help anything?

let's not forget palin's remarkable ability to leave a well-off town in alaska in financial ruin after two years or the fact that she said she has no idea what the vice president does