Disciplining Your Pets

I had this discussion with some friends today, and it kinda links back to the dog thread, but is it OK to discipline your pets through hitting? Or should it not happen at all. Does it even help? Do you consider it animal abuse?

i consider that animal abuse i think its wrong in humans and also illigal now over here and if its wrong in disciplining your children then its damn wrong in animals too.. there are otherways in which to do so.

It's not wrong to discipline your children and I think same applies for pets. I have to hit my dogs when they are disobedient. They know what's wrong and what's right, I just need to enforce it in them, my two little ones who are youngish.

Well i think like children it depend on what physical abuse your referring to and tap on the nose to a pet signifying they have behaved badly re-stores the master complex. And seeing as we only have basic speaking communication with animal they are more likely to respond to physical retribution.
Obviously extreme violence is wrong and can only lead to the pet taking on aggresive qualities.

i think its compleatly wrong.. why use violence when you can train them to behave also words and tones are a lot more effective in the uk it is now illegal to hit children.

Violence and discipline are completely different. I hate people who think it's so cool to but like uber liberal and use those two words as if they were the same thing.

tyco:

i think its compleatly wrong.. why use violence when you can train them to behave also words and tones are a lot more effective in the uk it is now illegal to hit children.

It's not violence. It's discipline. There's a big defference. And if you want to talk about child discipline, go to the right thread.

tyco:

i think its compleatly wrong.. why use violence when you can train them to behave also words and tones are a lot more effective in the uk it is now illegal to hit children.

well actually it's illegal to hit and leave a mark. However total pyshical punishment has not been ruled out, it's a stupid law which makes the government a nanny state. telling us how to raise our children.

NeoSteph:

Well i think like children it depend on what physical abuse your referring to and tap on the nose to a pet signifying they have behaved badly re-stores the master complex. And seeing as we only have basic speaking communication with animal they are more likely to respond to physical retribution.
Obviously extreme violence is wrong and can only lead to the pet taking on aggresive qualities.

a pat on the nose is different from hitting..
also i dissagree i think tones are much more effective.

NeoSteph:

tyco:

i think its compleatly wrong.. why use violence when you can train them to behave also words and tones are a lot more effective in the uk it is now illegal to hit children.

well actually it's illegal to hit and leave a mark. However total pyshical punishment has not been ruled out, it's a stupid law which makes the government a nanny state. telling us how to raise our children.

It's invading on the most intimate realation between child and parent.

Anji:

tyco:

i think its compleatly wrong.. why use violence when you can train them to behave also words and tones are a lot more effective in the uk it is now illegal to hit children.

It's not violence. It's discipline. There's a big defference. And if you want to talk about child discipline, go to the right thread.

it was linked. was it not?

tyco:

NeoSteph:

Well i think like children it depend on what physical abuse your referring to and tap on the nose to a pet signifying they have behaved badly re-stores the master complex. And seeing as we only have basic speaking communication with animal they are more likely to respond to physical retribution.
Obviously extreme violence is wrong and can only lead to the pet taking on aggresive qualities.

a pat on the nose is different from hitting..
also i dissagree i think tones are much more effective.

I don't think a pat would work for my dogs. If I did that, I know Cocoa would just start licking my hand. Like when I pretend to kick her, and I stop my foot like an inch away from her, she just starts licking it. A little too daft to understand the concept.

tyco:

Anji:

tyco:

i think its compleatly wrong.. why use violence when you can train them to behave also words and tones are a lot more effective in the uk it is now illegal to hit children.

It's not violence. It's discipline. There's a big defference. And if you want to talk about child discipline, go to the right thread.

it was linked. was it not?

It was not. A child and a dog are completely different species.

Anji:

NeoSteph:

tyco:

i think its compleatly wrong.. why use violence when you can train them to behave also words and tones are a lot more effective in the uk it is now illegal to hit children.

well actually it's illegal to hit and leave a mark. However total pyshical punishment has not been ruled out, it's a stupid law which makes the government a nanny state. telling us how to raise our children.

It's invading on the most intimate realation between child and parent.

It's also put social services in quite a bit of trouble with increased reporting of violence at home when really it's just been a parent discplining a child for doing something wrong.

http://www.geekstinkbreath.net/board/topic/22643/


there ye all go.

Anji:

tyco:

Anji:

tyco:

i think its compleatly wrong.. why use violence when you can train them to behave also words and tones are a lot more effective in the uk it is now illegal to hit children.

It's not violence. It's discipline. There's a big defference. And if you want to talk about child discipline, go to the right thread.

it was linked. was it not?

It was not. A child and a dog are completely different species.

but i was saying if its wrong for a human then it has to be wrong for an animal too i linked them you dont have to agree but thats what i feel so it was therefor linked.

take your dogs to a dog training session.. cause what your doing IS wrong.. no one should hit anyone especially an animal.
you will see that dog trainers never use violence Tones and rewards are a lot more effective

tyco:

Anji:

tyco:

Anji:

tyco:

i think its compleatly wrong.. why use violence when you can train them to behave also words and tones are a lot more effective in the uk it is now illegal to hit children.

It's not violence. It's discipline. There's a big defference. And if you want to talk about child discipline, go to the right thread.

it was linked. was it not?

It was not. A child and a dog are completely different species.

but i was saying if its wrong for a human then it has to be wrong for an animal too i linked them you dont have to agree but thats what i feel so it was therefor linked.

Well then, why do you feel that?

Are you a vegetarian?

not only is it cruel but also lazy and ineffective.

tyco:

take your dogs to a dog training session.. cause what your doing IS wrong.. no one should hit anyone especially an animal.
you will see that dog trainers never use violence Tones and rewards are a lot more effective

OK, I don't use violence, I use discipline. It's the same as a tone, except dogs can recognise it better because it is hard for them to always be detecting the tone of the human voice. A physical strike will give them a much more effective idea of what is good and what is bad. Also, I see trainers use discipline all the time.

Rewarding isn't very useful once your pet expects a reward every single time.

tyco:

not only is it cruel but also lazy and ineffective.

Hahaha, my dogs, on good behaviour, are really well trained. I've taught one of them how to even stand on her hind legs and say hello. When potty training, of teaching them what they can and can't chew, or do, or go, it is effective to hit them. They get the message loud and clear.