The Pledge of Allegiance

St.JimmyT9109:

under god referrs to all gods because the christain god's name is yahwey (sp?) and if u dont believe in a god then dont say it

Do youi really think there's a name for him?

i don't really care, but i'm ashamed to be american and don't beleive in god, so when we do the pledge thingy i just say fuck america fuck bush over and over again until its over.

I don't know. I guess I think people shouldn't be forced to say something they don't believe. I do not say the pledge when we say it at school. I stand up and straight with my arms at my sides and look respectful, but I do not move my mouth or make noise at all.
I don't think saying "Fuck America, Fuck Bush" over and over again is very respectful to the people who believe what they're saying. That's being hypocritical in my opinion. You're saying to be respectful of other's beliefs and then you're turning around and shitting all over yourself. Try to be a little more mature?
I don't really approve of the way Bush runs things around here. I, personally, can't wait to graduate college. After my boyfriend and I graduate, we're moving out of the country.
America still is the land of opportunity, just not for poor people. haha.

Stuck With You:

St.JimmyT9109:

under god referrs to all gods because the christain god's name is yahwey (sp?) and if u dont believe in a god then dont say it

Do youi really think there's a name for him?

who says it's a 'him'?
i really don't think you should say 'him' or 'her' when it's about gods, unless it's like Buddha because you know he was a man.
sorry if that was off-topic..

i was never baptized (sp?) and im a Green Dayist so i say "one nation under Green Day".

obsessedmonkey:

i was never baptized (sp?) and im a Green Dayist so i say "one nation under Green Day".

That's kind of. Weird. That you worship a band...? But whatever floats your boat.

Killer_Tomato:

who says it's a 'him'?
i really don't think you should say 'him' or 'her' when it's about gods, unless it's like Buddha because you know he was a man.
sorry if that was off-topic..

There are quite a few gods that have specific sexes. The only god that doesn't is Christianity's God, and that's only because some people wish to believe He's black or a woman. But whatever.

i never say the pledge, ever.

This is what I have to say to some people...

The pledge of alledgiance was made to show that you pledge yourself tp country. here ill give you a reminder...

i pledge alledgance, to the flag, of the united states of america, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all...

"to the flag.... and to the republic for which it stands."

thats why you are saying it to the flag every morning. if your excuse if that you wont say it because its just a piece of cloth, move to another country, like zimbambwe, where saying the pledge wont even have a meaning anymore. You have so many rights a liberties here in america, every has just gotten so used to it. Do you not remember why America was started, becuase of the tyranny of a dictator, like one we have a war against. but we caught him, and yet we still fight him.

people are so against the war because it kills. i saw this flash about how horrid it was for bush to send soldiers to die. hes isnt sending them to die, hes sending them to liberate a people. How about someone makes a flash about how many people WOULD HAVE died if saddam was still under control.

how you girls like going around town in blistering hot weather covering everything. have you read anything about how iraq was. husbands literally beat their wives. tell me how we are so horrible for stopping that?

if you arent proud of your country, and what its done for you and for others, shame be upon you. is it to much to put your hand on your heart, and give thanks to the people who have done so much? Is it wrong to put your hand on your heart and remind yourself of the great place you live in.

The reason the words "under God" are in it, is because thats how it was made. The people who started this country were Christians, no doubt, and thats the way the pledge is. To change it would be to change history. If you really are that against it, just say something like, one nation under bush" or something.

if you have a problem with me saying this, PM me. because you are too caught up in your own little rebel ways to care about other people who are a hell of a lot leff fortunate.

i124q:

spill_no_sick:

I think it's stupid to take it out, the nation was founded under God's name, so we should pledge under the same god
if you think different, say different, a kid by me in class (a really nice guy) would say "one nation, under Alah"
I think you say whatever the hell you want, as long as you also pledge allegence to the country
he came from Africa but he still loves this country and his god, if I don't believe in his god okay
he even thinks that people are too sensitive about this
don't change it people, that's being gay, waste your time protesting something important, if you can believe anything you want, you should be able to say it during the Pledge of Allegence

erm, if i didn't know any better i'd say you'd just used 'gay' as an insult? correct me if im mistaken...

*sigh* yes nick, did you have to do that?

zdf_jammin:

thats why you are saying it to the flag every morning. if your excuse if that you wont say it because its just a piece of cloth, move to another country, like zimbambwe, where saying the pledge wont even have a meaning anymore. You have so many rights a liberties here in america, every has just gotten so used to it. Do you not remember why America was started, becuase of the tyranny of a dictator, like one we have a war against. but we caught him, and yet we still fight him.

America was started to escape taxes. Enough said.

And, as a great man once said, I don't think killing people is a good way to remedy killing people.
Bush sent troops to Iraq because they were "supporting Osama Bin Laden and holding weapons of mass destruction." When we found out that they weren't and they didn't, why did he keep troops there? Was it like, "Oh well, we're already over there, what are we gonna do, leave?"
It was not our business to rid the world of Saddam. Bush is just trying to kill our economy, and it's working. I wish he'd focus on helping the poor and the needy in America before going overseas to "help" Iraq.

You, my friend, are naive. ^^

why would you wanna pledge yourself to anything? especially america?

the pledge of allegiance is obediance training...

Akariel:

zdf_jammin:

thats why you are saying it to the flag every morning. if your excuse if that you wont say it because its just a piece of cloth, move to another country, like zimbambwe, where saying the pledge wont even have a meaning anymore. You have so many rights a liberties here in america, every has just gotten so used to it. Do you not remember why America was started, becuase of the tyranny of a dictator, like one we have a war against. but we caught him, and yet we still fight him.

America was started to escape taxes. Enough said.

And, as a great man once said, I don't think killing people is a good way to remedy killing people.
Bush sent troops to Iraq because they were "supporting Osama Bin Laden and holding weapons of mass destruction." When we found out that they weren't and they didn't, why did he keep troops there? Was it like, "Oh well, we're already over there, what are we gonna do, leave?"
It was not our business to rid the world of Saddam. Bush is just trying to kill our economy, and it's working. I wish he'd focus on helping the poor and the needy in America before going overseas to "help" Iraq.

You, my friend, are naive. ^^

Its not our business?
How is it not our business to let other people die when we can stop it?
And are you so ignorant to ignore what Bush has done to try to avoid poverty. Do you know that the US is in enough debt already, besides the war. And hes going to go, hopefully, to fight poverty in Africa.
Tell me, how would you like being one of those woman under saddam? Being treated like shit everyday. So much progress has been made over there, and no one feels the need to acknowledge it. For once cant people be with our country.

and no, the pledge is not obediance training(to that other person). Cant you people see?

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"to the flag.... and to the republic for which it stands."

thats why you are saying it to the flag every morning. if your excuse if that you wont say it because its just a piece of cloth, move to another country, like zimbambwe, where saying the pledge wont even have a meaning anymore. You have so many rights a liberties here in america, every has just gotten so used to it. Do you not remember why America was started, becuase of the tyranny of a dictator, like one we have a war against. but we caught him, and yet we still fight him.

Oh and don't forget the war against the Native Americans. HaHa, the Native Americans and their silly idea of "sharing" land. Hell, is american really that much better than other countries? Sure, you can do anything you want and have the freedom to say whatever you want...as long as you are the privledged elite and can pay for it...

XxXflowerfairyXxX:

I pledge alleigance to the band of mr shneebley...

bahahahaha LOVE that movie!

and yeah i can't comment cos im from Australia so meh

I'm American but live in the UK (and therefore don't have to say the pledge) and although I really don't have much of an opinion about it, I know some people are actually forced to say the pledge, which I think is wrong. My friend Bri has been forced to say the pledge since she was young and now it's just a habit - it doesn't mean anything to her anymore. It's people choice to say it, isn't it? It either means something to you or it doesn't.

i just sit down the teachers dont say nothin cause most of em are illegal imigrants so they dont say the pledge either

since this debate started out with the intention of seeing whether or not ppl think "under god" should be in, imma address that. the fact is, when the pledge of allegience was written, "under god" wasnt in...it was put in during the cold war to promote the idea of the soviet union being evil and atheist/satanic like. so FIX IT!!!! and stop insulting each other, thats not what this is about...

and for anyone who was wondering, i dont say the pledge because 1) i disagree with a lot of the shit going on in this country right now, and 2) it was written by a communist. its true...

paradoxical:

since this debate started out with the intention of seeing whether or not ppl think "under god" should be in, imma address that. the fact is, when the pledge of allegience was written, "under god" wasnt in...it was put in during the cold war to promote the idea of the soviet union being evil and atheist/satanic like. so FIX IT!!!! and stop insulting each other, thats not what this is about...

and for anyone who was wondering, i dont say the pledge because 1) i disagree with a lot of the shit going on in this country right now, and 2) it was written by a communist. its true...

one, i really dont know the truth behind the commy part, but do sympathize, not all commys are bad, and not all nazis are bad, they're just socialist unions, and they have different ideas, they're not ALL evil like everyone thinks, though i am totally against socialism, and not everyones perfect though either. so it shouldnt matter WHO wrote, its what it is about right now, and i personnally think that "under god" should stay in the pledge, and if you dont want to say it, all the power to you

im about as unamerican as they come...i really do agree with socialism a lot of the time and i wasnt trying to label anyone with that so, im sorry, i didnt mean it that way. its just hypocritical, to me...the COLD WAR!!! the war which was defiance to communists everywhere...but, whatever...it just seems that to say something that was written by a communist about a "republic" that really isnt anymore...i dont know...it doesnt really have a lot of meaning, does it?

well yeah i agree the pledge should be put back the way it is unless they want to add " and allah and budha and confuscious and laotzu and brahma and (whicken spirit thing) and satan" so that at least more ppl fit into the idea of an american.....and paradoxical...thats not unamerican...we are a country of the idea that u CAN think for yourself..and u can disagree wiht wat the govt says...of course recently weve been straying from that a bit..but now the point...and yeah i agree with paradoxical about the whole socialist writing about a republic thing....francis bealmy was thrown out of his chuch for being a socilaist so obviously he still was...it just seems odd...but yeah im not saying the pledge untill they take out the god part becuase it offends me personally that they choose to mess up wat the socialist wrote and my mom and grandmother and her mom said for years in the morning and to disregard that our sountry was not founded by christians pushing their religion on everyone.....and oddly enough a lot of them like to do that....my bro (not gay) went to a gay pride parade with his friend and his friends boyfriend and the only ppl trying to convert ppl to their belief were the christian protesters at the parade...interesting ...no?