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Bleach
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June 19th, 2009 at 07:28pm
..dude, I understand that. and the part that I just narrowed down explains exactly what you just wrote. The rest wasn't exactly going to sum up the whole thing. Why are you making that comment?
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June 19th, 2009 at 07:34pm
I am making that comment in response to your comment, obviously.
Bleach
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June 19th, 2009 at 08:22pm
Fionn Og:
I am making that comment in response to your comment, obviously.
I know but your response didn't bring a contradiction to what I had said at all. Let's stop talking about this, it's pretty pointless.
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June 20th, 2009 at 11:37am
Bloodraine:
Angelic Fruitcake:
So I'm bringing this thread back to post this, I found it fascinating.
I know this area's been touched on in here, but I thought that article might give those who consider homosexual tendencies
both unnatural and unacceptable something more to think about.

I, personally, don't consider 'natural' to be a synonym for 'good' or 'normal' or even 'acceptable'.
Our lives are so against nature anyway. If I think about it, I don't think there is a single aspect to my life that I can justify according to nature - surgery, medication, television, literature, the internet - none of these things occur in nature yet I'm perfectly happy to have them in my life. I don't think it is more or less acceptable to be gay if gay penguins exist. Animal behaviour doesn't rationalise something - in the same way we wouldn't accept eating our own young just because many animals do the same. I think being gay is acceptable whether it occurs in animals or not. I just don't know why 'nature' matters to people in this instance when we're perfectly happy to disregard it for everything else.

Not really directed at you by the way. Just this notion of being against nature generally.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from- that's the thing, there's too many people who do believe that for gay behaviour to become acceptable (after all, many of them claim their main reason for being so against it is that it ‘just isn’t natural'), it should be reflected in other animals. Well, whilst the fact that there's gay penguins simply really interests me, I'm willing to bet that it'd aid in convincing a few people that homosexual behaviour isn't that terrible.

As you've rightly pointed out, that doesn't really make much sense, but it seems to ring true. Also I reckon if gay behaviour within other mammals is proven, some people might consider this reason to accept it within us humans- simply because of the other characteristics we share.


Bloodraine:

I saw a documentary on this last year presented by John Barrowman (it's on youtube if anyone is interested, it was great) and he went through 754456 tests and none concluded that there was a definite gay gene. It concluded that being gay wasn't a choice - but further research was needed to determine the exact cause.

Mm I saw a bit of that, then BBC cut out halfway through. Sad
Might finish watching it at some point. Anything that tells us being gay isn't a choice is brilliant, though. A few months back we were looking at the freewill / determinism debate in psychology and eventually got onto discussing homosexuals; the amount of people who seem to think you just one day wake up and make a conscious decision to be gay is astounding. :/
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July 17th, 2009 at 12:39pm
I think that people need to get over it. It's 2009. There will always be homosexual people. My younger brother just came out. I have a few gay friends, and they are thee best. Sure, I kinda had a problem with my brother, but it was mostly because I was worried about him at school. I still love my brother, gay or not, and people need to just deal with it. If it doesn't concern you, don't get in the middle of it.
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July 17th, 2009 at 11:38pm
I think you should be allowed to have emotions for and love whoever the hell you want. Love is a powerful thing and shouldn't be restricted to only male's loving a female or vice versa.
a3dfan
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August 4th, 2009 at 08:10am
If two people love each other - then what is the difference - are they homosexuals or straight?
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August 4th, 2009 at 12:14pm
a3dfan:
If two people love each other - then what is the difference - are they homosexuals or straight?

Well, in a word, yes.
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August 5th, 2009 at 09:45pm
I was watching Squidbillies a few days ago and the dad's a homophobe, but that's cuz he kept getting buttraped in prison.

... Some people do have a reason.

I don't understand homophobia at all. Really, I don't understand how someone could be gay or straight either, because in my opinion we're all people and no one can help who they fall in love with. But they don't understand me 'neither, so it's even. People are who they are and it's no one's fault.

The problem here is that people don't understand what's unlike them, fear what they don't understand, and hate what they fear. Even some open-minded people are weirded out by it. Many people these days don't have a problem with it, though, so that's pretty cool. Then there's people I know who say things like, and I quote, "God's mad at us because there are so many blacks and gays," or "People like you are going to be the end of the world." We can't stop 'em. The best anyone can do is hope and try for a better tomorrow.
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August 5th, 2009 at 10:35pm
I think that it takes a lot of guts to stand up for your own sexuality.
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August 12th, 2009 at 08:49pm
Italia Veneziano:
I was watching Squidbillies a few days ago and the dad's a homophobe, but that's cuz he kept getting buttraped in prison.

... Some people do have a reason.

I don't understand homophobia at all.Really, I don't understand how someone could be gay or straight either, because in my opinion we're all people and no one can help who they fall in love with. But they don't understand me 'neither, so it's even. People are who they are and it's no one's fault.

The problem here is that people don't understand what's unlike them, fear what they don't understand, and hate what they fear. Even some open-minded people are weirded out by it. Many people these days don't have a problem with it, though, so that's pretty cool. Then there's people I know who say things like, and I quote, "God's mad at us because there are so many blacks and gays," or "People like you are going to be the end of the world." We can't stop 'em. The best anyone can do is hope and try for a better tomorrow.


I was just thinking that today. I was watching Tyra, and there was a debate with gay rights activists (2 gays and 1 straight) and people who were basically the polar opposite (pro Prop8, and all that).
It almost made me feel sick to my stomach to hear what they were saying.
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August 14th, 2009 at 01:28pm
I think everyone has a bit of gay in them. girl or guy. whether they admit it or not.
I'm not bisexual, I'm definitely not lesbian, but I do find some girls hot. I know that I'm not the only girl that is like this either.
I know guys who have looked at porn, and stared more at the guy than at the girl, which is supposedly "gay", but this guy was dating me at the time, I'm pretty sure he wasn't gay.
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August 24th, 2009 at 02:46pm
It's just a reason for people to hate others.
Really.
It's just sad.
It wont change, and if so, not for a long time.
it's just sad :/
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August 25th, 2009 at 08:43am
SidKnee.:
It's just a reason for people to hate others.
Really.
It's just sad.
It wont change, and if so, not for a long time.
it's just sad :/


>Made no sense to her<.
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August 29th, 2009 at 11:57am
my dad's a homophobe and he alternates between making crude jokes about homosexuality and making nasty comments.
some of the stuff he says makes me incredibly angry and i argue with him about it.
i think he thinks i may be a lesbian -__-"
his greatest fear is that my brother will come home and announce he's gay.
Bleach
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September 2nd, 2009 at 11:33pm
Italia Veneziano:
... Some people do have a reason.

No, they don't.
It's not okay to hate a group of people because one of those persons hurt the person.
For any reason.
emmers_91
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September 11th, 2009 at 05:21pm
^^ true its not okay....but you cant force people to not think how they think

its like telling a dog not to pant and bark....they can't help it

its messed up people can be homophobic, etc. but its something you can't really change

people are stubborn in their ways

you can change a generations outlook but you can't change stubborn minds

you just have to let it be

each generation is different
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September 11th, 2009 at 09:41pm
Bleach:
Italia Veneziano:
... Some people do have a reason.

No, they don't.
It's not okay to hate a group of people because one of those persons hurt the person.
For any reason.


I don't think she was saying some people have an EXCUSE.
She was saying some people have a REASON.
They can be two different things.

For example, let's say you worked in retail, and the first 3 thefts you saw/caught were all white teen girls who fit the "punk" look. Many people, after that, would be more likely to keep an eye on a white teenage girl with dyed hair, piercings, fishnets, etc..., who came into their store than a middle aged black man. That doesn't make it okay to be more suspicious of somebody based on their age, race, style, and gender, but it provides an explanation.
Another example: let's say when you were 5 you and your family went on a trip to Boston, or any major city. While waiting for a cab, a black man mugged you and beat up one of or both of your parents. Would that ensure you grew up to be a racist? No. Would it add to the likelihood? Probably. Would it provide an explanation as to why you were racist if you did grow up with heavy racism? Yes.

Nobody hates for no reason, the reason, however, is often deep-rooted and completely subconscious. It's not like people wake up one day and decide to become homophobic. It may be how they were raised, it may be a connection to a traumatic event, etc...,
Anything can have explanation without being excusable. There is a reason serial killers do what they do. There is a reason rapists do what they do. There is a reason recovered addicts relapse. Does that reason make them acceptable things to do? Of course not.

So you're right, it's not okay, but that doesn't mean there's no reason.
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September 11th, 2009 at 09:46pm
iViva la Andrea!:
Bleach:
Italia Veneziano:
... Some people do have a reason.

No, they don't.
It's not okay to hate a group of people because one of those persons hurt the person.
For any reason.


I don't think she was saying some people have an EXCUSE.
She was saying some people have a REASON.
They can be two different things.

For example, let's say you worked in retail, and the first 3 thefts you saw/caught were all white teen girls who fit the "punk" look. Many people, after that, would be more likely to keep an eye on a white teenage girl with dyed hair, piercings, fishnets, etc..., who came into their store than a middle aged black man. That doesn't make it okay to be more suspicious of somebody based on their age, race, style, and gender, but it provides an explanation.
Another example: let's say when you were 5 you and your family went on a trip to Boston, or any major city. While waiting for a cab, a black man mugged you and beat up one of or both of your parents. Would that ensure you grew up to be a racist? No. Would it add to the likelihood? Probably. Would it provide an explanation as to why you were racist if you did grow up with heavy racism? Yes.

Nobody hates for no reason, the reason, however, is often deep-rooted and completely subconscious. It's not like people wake up one day and decide to become homophobic. It may be how they were raised, it may be a connection to a traumatic event, etc...,
Anything can have explanation without being excusable. There is a reason serial killers do what they do. There is a reason rapists do what they do. There is a reason recovered addicts relapse. Does that reason make them acceptable things to do? Of course not.

So you're right, it's not okay, but that doesn't mean there's no reason.

That's EXACTLY what I was getting at. Dude, seriously. I couldn't explain it better if I tried.
Punkmunkey
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September 14th, 2009 at 10:34pm
I wonder if I'm still the only gay person here...
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