Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 4816
December 13th, 2007 at 12:32pm
Anji:
Anarchy isn't the lack of a system either. Animals, well most of them, do live in anarchaic societies.
In order for anarchy to work with people, materialistic obsession must be taken away. Since that isn't going to happen, it's highly unlikely that anarchy can sucessfully work.
Anarchists pre-20th cenuary used to just oppose the government, i.e. the French Revolution where there sorta was or appeared to be a redistribution of power. It's not structure or order or law that it necessarily opposes, it's the power corruption. So it's like ultimate socialism. Complete, ultimate socialsim, in which every individual has the same worth as the next. The thing which seperates anarchism from socialism is, well, the spelling no doubt, but also there are disputes about the equality of rights and economic value in the society and property ownership, etc. In socialism, of course as Robert Owen experimented with his sociology tests, is total equal rights, wages, land, wealth, working hours, and all. But in his model, there were four like factory supervisors, so there are people with more power who do govern, but the rules are applicable to them as well.
There's a bit of a language barrier because anarchy in the english language does appear to be a contradiction. Rules or law, is often associated with a ruler or government which would impose these rules. In other languages, I believe Croatian is one of them, there are two different words to distiguish the meanings.
Have you ever read the novel Perfume? Or at least seen the movie. Yeah, it's all about anarchy.
I've never heard of that novel, to be honest. Who wrote it?
And I've never had anyone explain anarchy to me in that way. In theory, it's actually something that could be very beneficial, if excuted along the same lines as Mr. Owen's experiment. However, I have little to no faith in the human race's ability to give up materialistic possessions and the current, money mismanagement system.
Anji Basket Case Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
December 13th, 2007 at 01:28pm
Perfume by Patrick Suskind. Sometimes seen as Perfume: The Story of a Murderer. Stanley Kubrick declared the book to be 'unfilmable'. Last year it was made into a film by director Tom Tykwer starring Ben Whishaw, Dustin Hoffman, Alan Rickman, and other people whom I don't remember.
I find it a brilliant read. Patrick Suskind was a hermit for a very long time who hated humainty to bits. The novel reflects this very strongly, it's mainly about the perfuming of humans, you know the artificiality of existance and such, but there are also strong liks to anarchy, existentialism, faith, corruption, nature. It's a very contradicting book, written in a very extremist fashion. I find it satirical and very sarcastic. It's also very bleak at times.
Yeah, good book.
Sherlock Board Parasite Age: 38 Gender: Female Posts: 35331
December 13th, 2007 at 01:48pm
Alan Rickman.
I think I saw a billboard advertising it coming onto Sky while I was in London.. I wouldn't mind giving it a watch.
Anji Basket Case Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
December 13th, 2007 at 01:52pm
I think it's a good film, it almost follows the book perfectly. But at the end it starts leaving out some major points which make up the whole, meaning really, of the book. It's still quite good. Very artsy too. Good art film.
So... I'm gonna stay with my thinking and that it's chaos
But really, the small group idea wouldn't work too well either because who's to stop that group from spreading to another and another, etc. They'd all just combind eventually. Unless someone stopped them... which would lose the general point...
I'm with you on this. Anarchy, no matter how well-intentioned, would descend very quickly into chaos. Some sort of system is needed to keep order and deal with crime.
Anarchy isn't the lack of a system either. Animals, well most of them, do live in anarchaic societies.
In order for anarchy to work with people, materialistic obsession must be taken away. Since that isn't going to happen, it's highly unlikely that anarchy can sucessfully work.
Anarchists pre-20th cenuary used to just oppose the government, i.e. the French Revolution where there sorta was or appeared to be a redistribution of power. It's not structure or order or law that it necessarily opposes, it's the power corruption. So it's like ultimate socialism. Complete, ultimate socialsim, in which every individual has the same worth as the next. The thing which seperates anarchism from socialism is, well, the spelling no doubt, but also there are disputes about the equality of rights and economic value in the society and property ownership, etc. In socialism, of course as Robert Owen experimented with his sociology tests, is total equal rights, wages, land, wealth, working hours, and all. But in his model, there were four like factory supervisors, so there are people with more power who do govern, but the rules are applicable to them as well.
There's a bit of a language barrier because anarchy in the english language does appear to be a contradiction. Rules or law, is often associated with a ruler or government which would impose these rules. In other languages, I believe Croatian is one of them, there are two different words to distiguish the meanings.
Have you ever read the novel Perfume? Or at least seen the movie. Yeah, it's all about anarchy.
Or just like in the Civil War in Spain. It was Socialists against Fascists, eventually Franco won the war and was named dictator. But before the war started there was another dictator that didn't last long. The Spanish Anarchists (or Liberals as they used to call themselves) were winning an absent war, then the war was declared and things were taken seriously and they lost. But yeah, Anarchy did last some time in Spain.
worn-out astronaut. Had A Life Before GSB Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 28177
December 13th, 2007 at 08:57pm
Johnathan Livingstone Seagull was inspired by Christian Anarchism which is a thing I fancy. Christian Anarchism is a sort of peaceful anarchism that follows the two laws of Jesus and his preaching though it doesn't really approve of God or the religion. The Catholic Church didn't have nice words about it either, but its a good thing.
People say they do what they want, but no they don't they do as the goverment tells them. Live it their way or else. Not everyone wants to be a clone, in a way its like saying you hate the queen years ago you could get put in jail for that. Even today, it wouldn't change my mind. The goverment is fucked up. The UK needs anarchy to finally realize what a bunch of arses they have been.
People say they do what they want, but no they don't they do as the goverment tells them. Live it their way or else. Not everyone wants to be a clone, in a way its like saying you hate the queen years ago you could get put in jail for that. Even today, it wouldn't change my mind. The goverment is fucked up. The UK needs anarchy to finally realize what a bunch of arses they have been.
You can live under a system of government and not be a clone
Living proof
Anji Basket Case Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
December 15th, 2007 at 03:49pm
east infection.:
Johnathan Livingstone Seagull was inspired by Christian Anarchism which is a thing I fancy. Christian Anarchism is a sort of peaceful anarchism that follows the two laws of Jesus and his preaching though it doesn't really approve of God or the religion. The Catholic Church didn't have nice words about it either, but its a good thing.
I've heard of it. Some of my friends in uni are studying it. It's the same thing I was talking about, abandoning material obsessions which frees people (or seagulls) from the need to act irrationaly and therefore leaves them responsible without rules.
worn-out astronaut. Had A Life Before GSB Age: 31 Gender: Female Posts: 28177
December 15th, 2007 at 07:55pm
Anji:
east infection.:
Johnathan Livingstone Seagull was inspired by Christian Anarchism which is a thing I fancy. Christian Anarchism is a sort of peaceful anarchism that follows the two laws of Jesus and his preaching though it doesn't really approve of God or the religion. The Catholic Church didn't have nice words about it either, but its a good thing.
I've heard of it. Some of my friends in uni are studying it. It's the same thing I was talking about, abandoning material obsessions which frees people (or seagulls) from the need to act irrationaly and therefore leaves them responsible without rules.
Exactly. Its a great book.
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 4816
December 18th, 2007 at 04:04am
Santa:
schooldropout:
I agree with Spirit Of '77.
People say they do what they want, but no they don't they do as the goverment tells them. Live it their way or else. Not everyone wants to be a clone, in a way its like saying you hate the queen years ago you could get put in jail for that. Even today, it wouldn't change my mind. The goverment is fucked up. The UK needs anarchy to finally realize what a bunch of arses they have been.
You can live under a system of government and not be a clone
Living proof
People say they do what they want, but no they don't they do as the goverment tells them. Live it their way or else. Not everyone wants to be a clone, in a way its like saying you hate the queen years ago you could get put in jail for that. Even today, it wouldn't change my mind. The goverment is fucked up. The UK needs anarchy to finally realize what a bunch of arses they have been.
Spirit of '77 is an ignorant bitch. I can tell you this for a fact, as I've known her since the day she was concieved, better than anyone else in the world. haha.
Spirit of '77 is an ignorant bitch. I can tell you this for a fact, as I've known her since the day she was concieved, better than anyone else in the world. haha.
I don't care how well you know her, no bashing.
Anji Basket Case Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
December 20th, 2007 at 09:44am
Santa:
TrainSpotting:
Spirit of '77 is an ignorant bitch. I can tell you this for a fact, as I've known her since the day she was concieved, better than anyone else in the world. haha.
Spirit of '77 is an ignorant bitch. I can tell you this for a fact, as I've known her since the day she was concieved, better than anyone else in the world. haha.
I don't care how well you know her, no bashing.
...She is her.
... o I thought maybe her sister or something... omg nevermind.
Anji Basket Case Age: 34 Gender: Female Posts: 15914
December 21st, 2007 at 11:47am
Well...she could be her mother I guess. Lol. But no real mother would call their child an 'ignorant bitch'.
I wouldn't mind giving it a watch.
Christian Anarchism is a sort of peaceful anarchism that follows the two laws of Jesus and his preaching though it doesn't really approve of God or the religion. The Catholic Church didn't have nice words about it either, but its a good thing.
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