Sexuality

s0dapop_and_ritalin:

Teh Tiger.:

eberneezer_egghead:

In my opinion... (dont shout at me pweez)

If the Church think gays are so terrible, then why does God allow it? I mean if it was so terrible then he wouldn't have made people have these feelings...


I don't know if any of you understood that though...

The church thinks homosexuality's okay.

They disagree with homosexual physical activities.

well theres no point in being a homosexual and not getting to do homosexual activities >.<

Exactly.
So they can love each other, as long as they dont touch each other? [they can touch -______- Just not have sex]
Kinda wierd >.>

thats a bit naff isnt it ?
x

s0dapop_and_ritalin:

Teh Tiger.:

eberneezer_egghead:

In my opinion... (dont shout at me pweez)

If the Church think gays are so terrible, then why does God allow it? I mean if it was so terrible then he wouldn't have made people have these feelings...


I don't know if any of you understood that though...

The church thinks homosexuality's okay.

They disagree with homosexual physical activities.

well theres no point in being a homosexual and not getting to do homosexual activities >.<

well, the Church thinks that you can only do it if you're married, and they don't want gays to marry....which is perfectly fine since most marriges now derived from the Christian way of doing it

Sheepo@_@:

s0dapop_and_ritalin:

Teh Tiger.:

eberneezer_egghead:

In my opinion... (dont shout at me pweez)

If the Church think gays are so terrible, then why does God allow it? I mean if it was so terrible then he wouldn't have made people have these feelings...


I don't know if any of you understood that though...

The church thinks homosexuality's okay.

They disagree with homosexual physical activities.

well theres no point in being a homosexual and not getting to do homosexual activities >.<

Exactly.
So they can love each other, as long as they dont touch each other? [they can touch -______- Just not have sex]
Kinda wierd >.>

I was tought that the church sees sex as something for a married couple, and that it was only allowed in marrige because children should be brought up in a married family, as the Bible says. Homosexuals can't have children, and cant be married. (Reminder: Marriage is a bond between and man and a woman)

i also dont see why people sit there and judge other people... it makes no since... as if this world aint fucked up enough... i have a REALLY stonge opinion to this matter i hope all them homosexuals die.... JUST KIDDING... okea i had to make myself laugh i was getting a tib bit angry... oh im a lesbian... no joke.. seriously and ive lost friends for it... and i cant be "out" to my family.. i did that last year and my dad about killed me... not useing any sarcasm either... so i went back in... and its really really hard... trying to be myself... when no one around understands that it hurts im also a cutter... and i dont see why my parents will sit there and tell me they hate me and all this other shit... but once i try to regain my self back... but coping... they think im more fucked up and ship me off... i havent done nothing to anybody... i was very liked... my minds outta this world.. and im funny... and everyone loved me... and i said something to the wrong friends and all of a sudden im dead to the word

this is a serious descussion, no one here is gay bashing so your argument is tedious, annoying, redundant, and useless

I find nothing wrong with being gay, it's a personal choice and I respect that.

when christianity was founded, Rome was very pagan and very...okay with homosexuality (sad that my history class cant bring themselves to even say that word) and bisexuality. the christian faith, in an effort to separate from that abhorred it. actually, that would probably be one of the many issues discussed at the council of nicaea ( i havent the faintest idea how to spell that, but it was the council that decided what would go into the bible and other basic religious doctrine). also, this council decided that jesus was born in winter (he wasnt because the caesar's census was taken in spring...you do the math) to coincide with the pagan solstice. so some crazy things there, but i dont think the church has the right to decide something as big as homosexuality based on that, and especially that tradition isnt always right.

I'm just concerned that the religious right feels it's necessary to bring good, Christian values back to America, to get morality back. Not that Christianity isn't moral! It's just that: A) Just about every other major religion in the world (Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.) has a remarkably similar moral code, and B) Christianity doesn't have the greatest history of following through with following their its moral code once it has an ass load of power.

Think about the Crusades. Some of the most brutal, bloody wars of the pre-Industrial era, and all in the name of a "turn-the-other-cheek" religion. In the words of Larry GOnick, "Man, the other cheeks' gonna turn around so fast you won't even now what HIT it!"

dirtyhippie:

I'm just concerned that the religious right feels it's necessary to bring good, Christian values back to America, to get morality back. Not that Christianity isn't moral! It's just that: A) Just about every other major religion in the world (Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc.) has a remarkably similar moral code, and B) Christianity doesn't have the greatest history of following through with following their its moral code once it has an ass load of power.

Think about the Crusades. Some of the most brutal, bloody wars of the pre-Industrial era, and all in the name of a "turn-the-other-cheek" religion. In the words of Larry GOnick, "Man, the other cheeks' gonna turn around so fast you won't even now what HIT it!"

one of the rules in the forum is "no misleading or propaganda"
war has never been about religion, religion has just been a scapegoat
yeah part of the Crusades was the spread of Chrisitanity, but one of the main reasons was becasue Italy cost too much to travel through and trade with (which is how Columbus discovered for the Europeans Americaa, he looked for another trade route)
The Crusades may have had an affect on religion, but it wasn't all about that
and "turn the other cheek" refers to some one punching you, not declaring war on you, then it's not Christian, it's down right Socialist
check my sig, I think it's quote refers to you misleading more than your quote from some comedian codems the Bible

spill_no_sick:

one of the rules in the forum is "no misleading or propaganda"
war has never been about religion, religion has just been a scapegoat
yeah part of the Crusades was the spread of Chrisitanity, but one of the main reasons was becasue Italy cost too much to travel through and trade with (which is how Columbus discovered for the Europeans Americaa, he looked for another trade route)
The Crusades may have had an affect on religion, but it wasn't all about that
and "turn the other cheek" refers to some one punching you, not declaring war on you, then it's not Christian, it's down right Socialist
check my sig, I think it's quote refers to you misleading more than your quote from some comedian codems the Bible

Ah! I was wondering when I'd get into a discussion with you. I've heard of
your reputation from paradoxical (good friend of mine).

For the record, I don't believe that anything I said was propaganda. (If it was, that's the first bit of propaganda Buddhists have had in centuries! w00t!) Which parts were propaganda? I can support pretty muchly everything I've said thus far with last year's Global History class and my home history books. Which brings me to another thing: I most likely should have explained who Larry Gonick was before I quoted him...He is a historian who has published ten or more books on varying subjects, three of them world history, one US history. All are meticuously researched and all are in a cartoon-comic style format.

These books are where I draw a lot of my knowledge of history from; his website is larrygonick.com. Now on to the debate:

Urban II was spurred to start the first crusade through urges from a man named Peter the Hermit, who brought tales of how decidely un-Christian the Muslims were being in Jerusalem. The pope gathered an army and sent them off (an over-simplified but true explanation).

The second crusade was motivated by attacks on Crusader settlements by a Muslim general named Zengi. Etc., etc., etc. It is true that Italy was an expensive trader and suchnot, but it was that COMBINED with the fact that no European traders could get through the Muslims that spurred Columbus on to sail across the ocean blue (and discover a land that had long ago been discovered by people from the north traveling across the Beringia).

Good to finally talk to you.

paradoxical:

when christianity was founded, Rome was very pagan and very...okay with homosexuality (sad that my history class cant bring themselves to even say that word) and bisexuality. the christian faith, in an effort to separate from that abhorred it. actually, that would probably be one of the many issues discussed at the council of nicaea ( i havent the faintest idea how to spell that, but it was the council that decided what would go into the bible and other basic religious doctrine). also, this council decided that jesus was born in winter (he wasnt because the caesar's census was taken in spring...you do the math) to coincide with the pagan solstice. so some crazy things there, but i dont think the church has the right to decide something as big as homosexuality based on that, and especially that tradition isnt always right.

Yep! And then they made their new year in December, whilst ours is still in October...Then anyone still following the Old Religion in like...I don't know...1600's...Anyway, when King James 1 was on the throne, he brought in the Witchcraft Act and burned..well...a whole lot of people!!
But I've kind of moved off topic sooo.....
-Shuts up-

dirtyhippie:

Ah! I was wondering when I'd get into a discussion with you. I've heard of your reputation from paradoxical (good friend of mine).

What reputation? He's a perfectly nice guy...

I never said he wasn't! His reputation that I'd heard of is that of a remarkably intelligent person.

dirtyhippie:

I never said he wasn't! His reputation that I'd heard of is that of a remarkably intelligent person.

Oh . That's fine.

MAGIC RAINBOW!!!:

dirtyhippie:

I never said he wasn't! His reputation that I'd heard of is that of a remarkably intelligent person.

Oh . That's fine.

indeed. i would never say anything bad about nick! im a nice friend!

All the gay people can be shot on sight for all I care....

Preter:

All the gay people can be shot on sight for all I care....

Atleast you're honest I suppose...
But why do you think that?

† Nine_Inch_Nails †:

Preter:

All the gay people can be shot on sight for all I care....

Atleast you're honest I suppose...
But why do you think that?

because I dont care about those people...

It doesn't bother me, but when they do bother me

I couldnt care less if they got shot

Preter:

† Nine_Inch_Nails †:

Preter:

All the gay people can be shot on sight for all I care....

Atleast you're honest I suppose...
But why do you think that?

because I dont care about those people...

It doesn't bother me, but when they do bother me

I couldnt care less if they got shot

What do you mean when they do bother you? How does another persons sexuality effect you?