Prostitution

I think there is a lot of stereotyping on this topic. I posted at the beginning before i moved to Bangkok, and now I've been here for over a year and it's very true that about half of the female street kids are prostitutes. I think the irony though is how prostitution is a big issue here and it's illegal, but in more economically developed countries, it is legal, and isn't as big a business anyways.

Yes, I said business. This is a job these people have. They do it for money. Whatever they use to money for is there own personal judgement. I have many friends who work in offices and use their money for drugs, yet why does that seem less dispicable? Because of the whole idea of selling yourself. I think it's more dispicable that my friends are doing this when they can afford to be happy and get into rehaband stuff. For a young teen to be selling herself for drugs is more understandable. These kids who've never looked forward to anything in their lives, who probably have never been to school and don't have any education, the one thing that they want is to be pleasured, whether it be with sex or drugs or both. It's not fair to make assumptions about these people. I have befriended a 'companion' type person who lives down my street. She accompanies people and sometimes offeres herself.

It not disgusting or sad. They aren't whores or sluts. They are prostitues, sex workers, call girls. They are trying to make a living. And it's the only way they can do it.

Phool For Love:

^^^^^ don't swear at her for that, that's exactly what YOU oh so eloquently suggested for the 12 yr old girl to do, and you and her aren't exactly tight

>_<
I so badly want to tell you to shut the hell up, but you’re entitled to your opinion so I can’t. However nothing’s gonna stop me from telling you what an ignorant twat you are. What the hell makes you think you have the right coming here and saying she should be ‘run over’? If you know this girl’s life story and everything that she’s been through, please, do tell so you can justify yourself. Otherwise TRY not to make yourself look like such an idiot.

You say drug addictions and alcoholism is common where you are. If this girl, a mere child at 12 is growing up in such an environment she could easily have been exposed to drugs. Who’s to say she chose it? Drug dealers aren’t exactly known for their honesty. I mean, take a look at the Schapelle Corby case. The general public agrees that her sentencing was too tough for just drug trafficking. Yet not everyone has a good understanding of what life is even like in Indonesia. An overwhelming number of the population are addicts, that’s why there’s a need for such harsh laws enforced. Sometimes drug dealers surreptitiously trick young and naïve people into taking stuff they might not be aware of, and once they’re hooked it’s hard to go back, and from then on they become depend on cash to get their next fix.

You might not understand how such a thing could happen, you might think they’re stupid for falling for it, but you’re not the one in their shoes, suffering because of it. I’m not even saying this is the situation she’s in; she could very well have taken the drugs with full knowledge of what it was. The thing is, WE DON’T KNOW THAT. But here you are talking like you know jack all about her when apparently you haven’t considered all the possibilities that could have led this girl to where she is today. I’m pretty confident that nobody here thinks prostitution is right, or drug addictions. But you're obviously blessed enough to have a roof over your head and a chair to sit your judgmental ass on in front of a computer, you obviously do okay, or have someone who cares about you enough to provide for you. You're not the one who's young and desperate and has nobody stopping you from selling yourself to live a sad existence, so how about just a LITTLE compassion, or is that too much to ask for?

Indonesia's an absolute mess now a days. I lived there from...1993-1997, quite near the capital in a place called Bogor. This was around the time that the violence really started to erupt, like when tourists were being killed. Amazingly over-exaggerated my the media, but it kinda did happen i guess. Some teenagers torched my car.

-_-

Anyways, it's absoltely horrific, the racism againt foreigners there. School boys would always humiliate me by yelling 'foreign pig' or something. If it were an Indonesian, they're get a slap on the wrist probably. Not a small one, but still. Just that.

I think my opinion on prostitution was misunderstood within my last few posts. Im am very strongly against prostitution in all circumstances, there is no good reason to sell yourself. Not only are you putting yourself in harms way, you're a burden to the society you live in by being a health hazard amoung other things.

STD's (or STI's, whatever you choose to call them) are dangerous and harmful. Prostitution spreads STD's. You never know who you're having sex with or what they can give you. It is unsafe, and any job with working conditions like that should be illegal.

Not to mention all of the human trafficking that Prostitution can cause and the slavery it can lead to. Not all the women trapped in this horrid industry are doing this at their own will. Right now this is a problem people tend to neglect, can you imagine what would happen if it were legalized? Then it would be ok and there wouldnt be the constant search for people involved in prostitution, which would only worsen the situation they are in. People would like to think that making it legal would make it easier to control, but that isnt true. It would only result in fraud and exspansion. Human slavery is no matter to take lightly. In my opinion, taking advantage of another human in that way is the single most sick crime you could ever commit aside from murder.

Rape is also another problem that prostitution can lead to. Once again, you dont know who you are having sex with. You are endangering yourself when you ingage in a "job" like that, and you could end up hurt, emotionally and physically. Rape is just one form(perhaps the most severe) form of abuse prostitution can lead to.

Condoms are not 100% effective, only 5% of unplanned pregnancies occur because of condom breakage, but in the circumstances that be with prostitutes, and the large number of men they sleep with the chances of actually finding the father are slim and that can cuase issues later on in that childs life.


And for those of you saying prostitues are not whores... yes, they are, what do you think the word means?
"whore
Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[hawr, hohr or, often, hoor] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, whored, whor-ing

–noun 1. a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet. "

Another arguement I hear alot is "but what about the ones who want to do it" First Off, I find them to be some of the most ignorant people to ever grace the planet, if they want to take all those risks, I wouldnt real have any sympathy if something bad were to happen, but looking at it from a different way.. what about people who don't want to wear seat belts? It's a law, and if they don't, they get a ticket, should it just be ignored, after all, they were ok with the danger and taking the risk. Same thing for people that speed, they wanted to take the risk of hurting themselves and others if they wrecked, so should they not have to take a ticket? No, they do deserve the ticket because what they were doing was unsafe and not acceptable.
I find it funny that several people who have posted in this thread were sickened and outraged by Little Girls who wanted to wear make up and short skirts because of the sex-oriented Image it promoted, but yet you were ok with being able to sell sex, thats hypocritical to the max...
In the example given above, the fact that a girl so young was driven into an industry like that. First off, even if she didnt recieve pay for what she did, that is rape, she was not of legal consent age. She was being taken advantage of in an entirely different way and being manipulated horribly. That is intolerable and one reason why prostitution should never be legalized. I really do hope that girl gets the therapy and help she needs, because the emotional damage she is going to be left with is horrible.

Just because they have tons of sex, people all think they are sluts and whores. I think whore is one that chooses to do it even if she dosen't have to. Lots of people on here are too young to have had sex anyways. Sex is a misunderstood form of intimacy. It is accompanied with a feeling of eros. It's not like true love or anything.

Anyway, so if someone sells them self then that's not good or something. I dunno. I disagree. Some people have ABSOLUTELY no choice. Especially in a place like this.

Anji:

Just because they have tons of sex, people all think they are sluts and whores. I think whore is one that chooses to do it even if she dosen't have to. Lots of people on here are too young to have had sex anyways. Sex is a misunderstood form of intimacy. It is accompanied with a feeling of eros. It's not like true love or anything.

Anyway, so if someone sells them self then that's not good or something. I dunno. I disagree. Some people have ABSOLUTELY no choice. Especially in a place like this.

that i agree with 100%
the word 'whore' shouldn't be used too loosely here, especially if the prostitution is a result of poverty or drug abuse or anything beyond the young girls' control.
of course, though i can't ever imagine why, if this was the profession that a girl chooses, i won't judge her for it. i mean, i don't like the idea, to me it seems like she would be lacking in self-respect or something along those lines, but as i'm not the person doing it i'll keep an open mind. i don't agree with prostitution, but i won't look down on prostitutes, and all theory aside if making it legal does actually help then i'm all for it

Phool For Love:

boytoy13:

did you know that like 90% of prostitutes were sexually abused as children?

th@'s believable. after the abuse they just start to think they're good for nuthin' but whoring.

EXACTLY. Someone on here said that they don't care because it's not them, but isn't that what's wrong with the world today? People don't care. But we should.

First of all, this starts from childhood. Girls and some boys are bullied, abused, beaten, molested, whatever and there self-esteem goes down the happy little drain. Eventually, they don't think that they're good for anything. I read a thing in a Chicken Soup book about a girl who was raped at the age of two and then molested when she was eleven. She always had a boy at her side as a teenager and thought that she had nothing to offer to the world but her body.

And some kill themselves. Some kill other people. Some just put on a skanky costume and throw themselves out there like "Come and get me!". Because that's what they think of themselves.

That's why all these schools start anti-bully programs and D.A.R.E programs and self-esteem programs. So that people will know that they are better than that and no one feels the need to become a prostitute or a pole dancer or do porn or anything.

Agreed, for some people, it's the only way that they can support themselves; I'm talkin' 'bout the bottom 3% of society. But most hookers come from broken families or scarred childhoods. The only way to stop it is to show little children that they can stand tall.

As for legalizing it: it will definitely provide protection for prostitutes. That can't be denied. And you know what? If they "work" in a controlled environment like a brothel or whatever, maybe some of them will step out and see that there's more that they can do. Maybe they won't. Who knows.

But this is totally a neverending argument. It's also safe to say that if it's legalized, teenagers will find it easier to throw their lives away because there's nothing holding them back. "Gee, I won't have to sneak around on the streets...why the hell don't I register myself as a whore?" It can go on and on and on.

lyrical_gaah52:

Phool For Love:

boytoy13:

did you know that like 90% of prostitutes were sexually abused as children?

th@'s believable. after the abuse they just start to think they're good for nuthin' but whoring.

EXACTLY. Someone on here said that they don't care because it's not them, but isn't that what's wrong with the world today? People don't care. But we should.

First of all, this starts from childhood. Girls and some boys are bullied, abused, beaten, molested, whatever and there self-esteem goes down the happy little drain. Eventually, they don't think that they're good for anything. I read a thing in a Chicken Soup book about a girl who was raped at the age of two and then molested when she was eleven. She always had a boy at her side as a teenager and thought that she had nothing to offer to the world but her body.

And some kill themselves. Some kill other people. Some just put on a skanky costume and throw themselves out there like "Come and get me!". Because that's what they think of themselves.

That's why all these schools start anti-bully programs and D.A.R.E programs and self-esteem programs. So that people will know that they are better than that and no one feels the need to become a prostitute or a pole dancer or do porn or anything.

Agreed, for some people, it's the only way that they can support themselves; I'm talkin' 'bout the bottom 3% of society. But most hookers come from broken families or scarred childhoods. The only way to stop it is to show little children that they can stand tall.

As for legalizing it: it will definitely provide protection for prostitutes. That can't be denied. And you know what? If they "work" in a controlled environment like a brothel or whatever, maybe some of them will step out and see that there's more that they can do. Maybe they won't. Who knows.

But this is totally a neverending argument. It's also safe to say that if it's legalized, teenagers will find it easier to throw their lives away because there's nothing holding them back. "Gee, I won't have to sneak around on the streets...why the hell don't I register myself as a whore?" It can go on and on and on.

thats not the impression i got and get when i see women and men working in brothels, many of them do it because the money is good.

ok what about phone sex lines? Are they bad aswell? my answer is "no" i dont think they are what people do in they're own homes is up to them, unless of course its againt the law.

Lucifers Angel:

thats not the impression i got and get when i see women and men working in brothels, many of them do it because the money is good.

ok what about phone sex lines? Are they bad aswell? my answer is "no" i dont think they are what people do in they're own homes is up to them, unless of course its againt the law.

A phone can not rape you, a phone can not enslave you, a phone can not infect you with Aids or other STD's, a phone can not get you pregnant, meaning that phone sex is no comparisson to prostitution.

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Lucifers Angel:

thats not the impression i got and get when i see women and men working in brothels, many of them do it because the money is good.

ok what about phone sex lines? Are they bad aswell? my answer is "no" i dont think they are what people do in they're own homes is up to them, unless of course its againt the law.

A phone can not rape you, a phone can not enslave you, a phone can not infect you with Aids or other STD's, a phone can not get you pregnant, meaning that phone sex is no comparisson to prostitution.

ha ha, but imagine the wife when the phone bill comes


okay sorry. i'll be serious now

Lucifers Angel:

thats not the impression i got and get when i see women and men working in brothels, many of them do it because the money is good.

The pay here for prostitution is very low.

...Don't ask how I know. My point is, that it's almost a neccessity for some people to do it. Actually, come to think of it, quite a bit of Thailand's tourism industry comes from sex tourism. Because Asian chicks are better and faster then Western ones.

Phool For Love:

ha ha, but imagine the wife when the phone bill comes


okay sorry. i'll be serious now

k.

Anji:

Lucifers Angel:

thats not the impression i got and get when i see women and men working in brothels, many of them do it because the money is good.

The pay here for prostitution is very low.

...Don't ask how I know. My point is, that it's almost a neccessity for some people to do it. Actually, come to think of it, quite a bit of Thailand's tourism industry comes from sex tourism. Because Asian chicks are better and faster then Western ones.

when i worked in a massage parlour the girls got a fair cut at what they took depending on what they did of course, one girl walked away with £160 for 12 hours work but yes youare right that isnt a lot compared to many other countries.

Just because right now, alot of people don't have alot of options aside from prostitution, doesnt mean it should be made legal. It means those conuntries governments need to step up and help them. STD's, rape and abuse, pregnancy, and Human Trafficking can all be caused by prostitution, which is why it should never be legalized, ever. Instead of putting more people in these danergous conditions, shouldnt those in them be helped?

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Just because right now, alot of people don't have alot of options aside from prostitution, doesnt mean it should be made legal. It means those conuntries governments need to step up and help them. STD's, rape and abuse, pregnancy, and Human Trafficking can all be caused by prostitution, which is why it should never be legalized, ever. Instead of putting more people in these danergous conditions, shouldnt those in them be helped?

but if it is made legal, i am not saying standing on street corners, i am saying legalised massage parlours, it will be safer and better for the men and women involved in the business, if they legalise it they will have regular blood tests and condoms will be a must, out of all the prosititues i know they always use a condom, instead of condemming these people perhaps we should see life from they're point of view, perhaps they enjoy doing what they do, they could enjoy the control over the men, also if it is legalised STD's, rape and pregnancy will be controled (of course we will never be able to do away with any of those because there will always be men and women who get turned on by abusing and rape)

to many people condem people who work in massage parlours, perhaps we should all try and understand why they do what they do.

Lucifers Angel:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Just because right now, alot of people don't have alot of options aside from prostitution, doesnt mean it should be made legal. It means those conuntries governments need to step up and help them. STD's, rape and abuse, pregnancy, and Human Trafficking can all be caused by prostitution, which is why it should never be legalized, ever. Instead of putting more people in these danergous conditions, shouldnt those in them be helped?

but if it is made legal, i am not saying standing on street corners, i am saying legalised massage parlours, it will be safer and better for the men and women involved in the business, if they legalise it they will have regular blood tests and condoms will be a must, out of all the prosititues i know they always use a condom, instead of condemming these people perhaps we should see life from they're point of view, perhaps they enjoy doing what they do, they could enjoy the control over the men, also if it is legalised STD's, rape and pregnancy will be controled (of course we will never be able to do away with any of those because there will always be men and women who get turned on by abusing and rape)

to many people condem people who work in massage parlours, perhaps we should all try and understand why they do what they do.

Hahaha, speaking of massage parlours, not that this has anything to do with anything...but anyway, some Chinese messuse (I suck at spelling. Don't even tell me. -_-) doctor is getting sued for licking one of his female clients in a private area. The doctors defense is that he tripped, and fell, and just grazed her crotch with his mouth.

What kind of arguement is that?!?!

Lucifers Angel:

but if it is made legal, i am not saying standing on street corners, i am saying legalised massage parlours, it will be safer and better for the men and women involved in the business, if they legalise it they will have regular blood tests and condoms will be a must, out of all the prosititues i know they always use a condom, instead of condemming these people perhaps we should see life from they're point of view, perhaps they enjoy doing what they do, they could enjoy the control over the men, also if it is legalised STD's, rape and pregnancy will be controled (of course we will never be able to do away with any of those because there will always be men and women who get turned on by abusing and rape)

to many people condem people who work in massage parlours, perhaps we should all try and understand why they do what they do.

explain to me how pregnancy and STD's can be controlled. Despite how some people may think, condoms are not 100% effective, and you can't just ask an STD not to infect someone. And any industry where rape is a possibily should not be legalized. rape is one of the sickest crimes in the world and should be prevented at all costs.

You forgot to mention anything about Human trafficking, how will we control that? WE CANT. It's a problem now, when it is illegal, can you imagine the horrible exspansion that would occur by legalizing it? Documents could be forged and lies can be told, anyone could end up trapped in this industry with no hope for escape. The fools who think risking STD's, pregnancy, rape, and all of that want to do it, whatever, they deserve whatever happens to them. If it was just them, I would really have no problem with it, but there are people being forced to do this against their will, and if there situation could be made worse, then whatever would worsen it should not be allowed. Human trafficking can't be controlled now, and it wouldnt be controlled then.

Anji:

Lucifers Angel:

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Just because right now, alot of people don't have alot of options aside from prostitution, doesnt mean it should be made legal. It means those conuntries governments need to step up and help them. STD's, rape and abuse, pregnancy, and Human Trafficking can all be caused by prostitution, which is why it should never be legalized, ever. Instead of putting more people in these danergous conditions, shouldnt those in them be helped?

but if it is made legal, i am not saying standing on street corners, i am saying legalised massage parlours, it will be safer and better for the men and women involved in the business, if they legalise it they will have regular blood tests and condoms will be a must, out of all the prosititues i know they always use a condom, instead of condemming these people perhaps we should see life from they're point of view, perhaps they enjoy doing what they do, they could enjoy the control over the men, also if it is legalised STD's, rape and pregnancy will be controled (of course we will never be able to do away with any of those because there will always be men and women who get turned on by abusing and rape)

to many people condem people who work in massage parlours, perhaps we should all try and understand why they do what they do.

Hahaha, speaking of massage parlours, not that this has anything to do with anything...but anyway, some Chinese messuse (I suck at spelling. Don't even tell me. -_-) doctor is getting sued for licking one of his female clients in a private area. The doctors defense is that he tripped, and fell, and just grazed her crotch with his mouth.

What kind of arguement is that?!?!

*goes waaaay off topic*

Anji are you still in thailand. whats going on with the coup from your perspective?


oked dokey on topic. tr lalalala

I_worship_tre_Cool:

Lucifers Angel:

but if it is made legal, i am not saying standing on street corners, i am saying legalised massage parlours, it will be safer and better for the men and women involved in the business, if they legalise it they will have regular blood tests and condoms will be a must, out of all the prosititues i know they always use a condom, instead of condemming these people perhaps we should see life from they're point of view, perhaps they enjoy doing what they do, they could enjoy the control over the men, also if it is legalised STD's, rape and pregnancy will be controled (of course we will never be able to do away with any of those because there will always be men and women who get turned on by abusing and rape)

to many people condem people who work in massage parlours, perhaps we should all try and understand why they do what they do.

explain to me how pregnancy and STD's can be controlled. Despite how some people may think, condoms are not 100% effective, and you can't just ask an STD not to infect someone. And any industry where rape is a possibily should not be legalized. rape is one of the sickest crimes in the world and should be prevented at all costs.

You forgot to mention anything about Human trafficking, how will we control that? WE CANT. It's a problem now, when it is illegal, can you imagine the horrible exspansion that would occur by legalizing it? Documents could be forged and lies can be told, anyone could end up trapped in this industry with no hope for escape. The fools who think risking STD's, pregnancy, rape, and all of that want to do it, whatever, they deserve whatever happens to them. If it was just them, I would really have no problem with it, but there are people being forced to do this against their will, and if there situation could be made worse, then whatever would worsen it should not be allowed. Human trafficking can't be controlled now, and it wouldnt be controlled then.

didnt anyone read the bit about condoms, most girls wont do this sort of job without them, and in fact in the massage parlour where i used to work they were a must girls would be sacked for not using them.

Anji:

Lucifers Angel:

thats not the impression i got and get when i see women and men working in brothels, many of them do it because the money is good.

The pay here for prostitution is very low.

...Don't ask how I know. My point is, that it's almost a neccessity for some people to do it. Actually, come to think of it, quite a bit of Thailand's tourism industry comes from sex tourism. Because Asian chicks are better and faster then Western ones.

Well gee. You learn something new everyday. And it may even be something sexual about yourself

But Lucifers Angel, you may have gotten an impression that was far from the truth. I'm not saying you did, but how would you know? I don't think it'd be safe to make any judgements unless you were in their shoes with their experience to speak of.
The thing is, the sex industry will always be popular. It may not be right, but that's just the way things are. If people choose to take advantage of it to make good money then really it's up to them. It's what they chose to do with their life and really it's none of my business so I won't form any judgements. However I know it's wrong when situations with abuse stemming from this industry. That's why I agree with it being legalised and laws being made to protect those people working in it.

NeoSteph:

*goes waaaay off topic*

Anji are you still in thailand. whats going on with the coup from your perspective?


oked dokey on topic. tr lalalala

From my perspective...great!!! I got a week off!!!

Well, I was helping to organise these government protests, just to prevent a counter coup thing going on. Luckily it wasn't a Black May situation, we're very proud that no one had to die. Cause last time like 200 people or so were killed when the military opened fire. So it was a bit risque, but at least nothing happened.

I still CANNOT BELIEVE the UK. How can an unemployed Thai citizen, with no future employment options, be allowed in the United Kingdom? Still confuzzles me. I haaate Taksin. Bitch should die...I shouldn't say that though, or his croonies will come and get me. Hahaha, oh well.

But it's great now. Government is gone, and we're getting new ministers now. We really need a new minister of naturak resources. Our last one was terrible. They've all gotten arrested now. Hahaha.

I have some really cool pictures of tanks I took. I might do some screening with them. It'll look awesome. Ah, the coup.