Hitler? Mad? Arguable. But the way you people are forming your arguments, you seem to imply that his insanity (Which again, can be an argued form of Bipolar or something like that) made him a bad leader. I could be wrong, but if this assumption is correct, Hitler was probably the most powerful speaker and leader to exist at that time. His speeches simply mesmerized people...o_o;
Matt Smith Admin Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
May 11th, 2006 at 11:25am
I know a person with Bi Polar disorder and I wouldn't call her insane by any stretch.
But I see the point you're making.
Biffy Clyro Basket Case Age: 33 Gender: Male Posts: 16018
May 11th, 2006 at 11:26am
Saiyan:
Well for me personally, if that happened where i live (australia) then every1 would just ignore orders and say no way. But times were differant back then, its just hard to comprihend them killing so many and for so long for no good reason
ps: Hitler WAS crazy
he might have been mentally disturbed, yes. but he was very intelligent. and people forget that.
I know a person with Bi Polar disorder and I wouldn't call her insane by any stretch.
But I see the point you're making.
The current..."popularity" and diagnosing of bipolar has wrongfully increased over the past few years, as well as the stereotypes with it.
You know those 12 year olds who think they're bisexual? It's the same thing. And now, they're changing the diagnosis of kids with ADHD to Bipolar...I have ADHD, and it's nothing like Bipolar. o_O
People with Bipolar are actually extremely brilliant people, from the ones I know...
Matt Smith Admin Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
May 11th, 2006 at 11:32am
XxBillieOwnsXx:
Bloodraine:
I know a person with Bi Polar disorder and I wouldn't call her insane by any stretch.
But I see the point you're making.
The current..."popularity" and diagnosing of bipolar has wrongfull increased over the past few years, as well as the stereotypes with it.
You know those 12 year olds who think they're bisexual? It's the same thing. And now, they're changing the diagnosis of kids with ADHD to Bipolar...I have ADHD, and it's nothing like Bipolar. o_O
People with Bipolar are actually extremely brilliant people, from the ones I know...
Undoubtedly, yes. They're very talented.
Maybe Hitler was crazy, maybe he wasn't. I don't like the way people assume if you have a mental disorder you're 'insane' or 'not of sound mind' becuse who knows, maybe we're the crazy ones?
He wasn't a bad leader because of his state of mind, he was actually a good figurehead for the Nazi party in terms of leadership. Not that i'm trying to praise him or whatever.
idiot germans that chose to ignore the camps and the fact that their leader was insane
They didn't view their leader as insane, they viewed him as a hero.
they must have made a concious effort to ignore certain things, some of the things that were done right out in the open would have made it pretty dam clear
They didn't see what he was doing as wrong. The general German population didn't see a problem witht he slaughter of the jews and the left-wing. They saw it as a "purification of their race." They had been scared to death by the NSDAP, who had convicned them that the jews and communists wanted to kill all the Germans and were a significant threat to the stability of the Fatherland.
The fact that communism has existed since the dawn of man and is not limitied to leninism is a FACT not an opinion.
Evidence?
As I said, neolithic and mesolithic populations worked together in communities, mens haring the work of hunting and gathering and women sharing the work of child rearing at the village. All hunted was as equally distributed as possible. Humanity naturally worked together before they could survive on their own (or at least they THOUGHT they could) with agriculture.
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May 11th, 2006 at 11:47am
DistortedMorality:
Bloodraine:
DistortedMorality:
The fact that communism has existed since the dawn of man and is not limitied to leninism is a FACT not an opinion.
Evidence?
As I said, neolithic and mesolithic populations worked together in communities, mens haring the work of hunting and gathering and women sharing the work of child rearing at the village. All hunted was as equally distributed as possible. Humanity naturally worked together before they could survive on their own (or at least they THOUGHT they could) with agriculture.
That's totally different from Marxist communism, though.
Leninism and Stalinism were built on Marxism.
And Marxism is built around the idea of control at gunpoint--if you aren't for the nation, you're against it. That makes you a threat. Oppose and die.
That's how Communism actually WORKS.
And Hitler wasn't creating a communist nation. He believed in facism and was a TOTALITARIN dictator. And he stole the idea of facism from Mussolini.
Pol Pot was communist.
Mao Zedong was communist.
Stalin was communist.
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May 11th, 2006 at 03:30pm
XxBillieOwnsXx:
Bloodraine:
I know a person with Bi Polar disorder and I wouldn't call her insane by any stretch.
But I see the point you're making.
The current..."popularity" and diagnosing of bipolar has wrongfully increased over the past few years, as well as the stereotypes with it.
You know those 12 year olds who think they're bisexual? It's the same thing. And now, they're changing the diagnosis of kids with ADHD to Bipolar...I have ADHD, and it's nothing like Bipolar. o_O
People with Bipolar are actually extremely brilliant people, from the ones I know...
i have a child with ADHD and BIPOLAR and they are not changing the diagonis on either of them,
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 4816
May 11th, 2006 at 09:06pm
I've gotta go with six on this one.
When we were discussing this in my History class, it was said that Hitler didn't actually want to kill the Jews. He just wanted to make their life absolutely miserable so they would just leave Germany.
When they didn't leave, he started to panic, and people close to him, advisors, the S.S., other sadistic psychos around him, thought up the Final Solution and submitted it for his approval.
When we were discussing this in my History class, it was said that Hitler didn't actually want to kill the Jews. He just wanted to make their life absolutely miserable so they would just leave Germany.
When they didn't leave, he started to panic, and people close to him, advisors, the S.S., other sadistic psychos around him, thought up the Final Solution and submitted it for his approval.
Hitler Passed the Nurberg Laws. Hitler started concentration camps, Hitler put the Jews In Ghettos where they were overwhelmed with disease and no medical care, Hitler was the evil mind who spread the propoganda.
I dont see how any of you can place the blame on one thing when it falls on all of them.
Ol' Blue Eyes. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 35 Gender: Female Posts: 4816
May 11th, 2006 at 09:28pm
I_worship_tre_Cool:
we_found_the_duck:
I've gotta go with six on this one.
When we were discussing this in my History class, it was said that Hitler didn't actually want to kill the Jews. He just wanted to make their life absolutely miserable so they would just leave Germany.
When they didn't leave, he started to panic, and people close to him, advisors, the S.S., other sadistic psychos around him, thought up the Final Solution and submitted it for his approval.
Hitler Passed the Nurberg Laws. Hitler started concentration camps, Hitler put the Jews In Ghettos where they were overwhelmed with disease and no medical care, Hitler was the evil mind who spread the propoganda.
I dont see how any of you can place the blame on one thing when it falls on all of them.
Hitler didn't have a lot of balls. There have been suggestions that if someone had actually challenged him when he began making aggressive movements, then he would have backed off and the entire war could have been prevented.
When we were discussing this in my History class, it was said that Hitler didn't actually want to kill the Jews. He just wanted to make their life absolutely miserable so they would just leave Germany.
When they didn't leave, he started to panic, and people close to him, advisors, the S.S., other sadistic psychos around him, thought up the Final Solution and submitted it for his approval.
Hitler Passed the Nurberg Laws. Hitler started concentration camps, Hitler put the Jews In Ghettos where they were overwhelmed with disease and no medical care, Hitler was the evil mind who spread the propoganda.
I dont see how any of you can place the blame on one thing when it falls on all of them.
Hitler didn't have a lot of balls. There have been suggestions that if someone had actually challenged him when he began making aggressive movements, then he would have backed off and the entire war could have been prevented.
I stand by my theory, it makes sense.
But hitler was smart, no one challenged him. He seems pretyt ballsy to me, He didnt rise to power overnight, he had failed attempts as well, but he kept going. Hell, he used his court trial as a place to gain Nazi support. People did challenge him, via WW2, he didnt back off, he kept fighting, thank goodness he lost.
I know a person with Bi Polar disorder and I wouldn't call her insane by any stretch.
But I see the point you're making.
The current..."popularity" and diagnosing of bipolar has wrongfully increased over the past few years, as well as the stereotypes with it.
You know those 12 year olds who think they're bisexual? It's the same thing. And now, they're changing the diagnosis of kids with ADHD to Bipolar...I have ADHD, and it's nothing like Bipolar. o_O
People with Bipolar are actually extremely brilliant people, from the ones I know...
i have a child with ADHD and BIPOLAR and they are not changing the diagonis on either of them,
Well it's both, so...Also, it's only recently. Like, 2005-2006 recently.
NeoSteph Basket Case Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 16494
May 12th, 2006 at 10:48am
XxBillieOwnsXx:
Magne:
XxBillieOwnsXx:
Bloodraine:
I know a person with Bi Polar disorder and I wouldn't call her insane by any stretch.
But I see the point you're making.
The current..."popularity" and diagnosing of bipolar has wrongfully increased over the past few years, as well as the stereotypes with it.
You know those 12 year olds who think they're bisexual? It's the same thing. And now, they're changing the diagnosis of kids with ADHD to Bipolar...I have ADHD, and it's nothing like Bipolar. o_O
People with Bipolar are actually extremely brilliant people, from the ones I know...
i have a child with ADHD and BIPOLAR and they are not changing the diagonis on either of them,
Well it's both, so...Also, it's only recently. Like, 2005-2006 recently.
on topic please.
Addison Montgomery. Falling In Love With The Board Age: 29 Gender: Female Posts: 7078
May 12th, 2006 at 11:47am
Fucking wanker of Adolf Hitler that's who!!
Matt Smith Admin Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
The fact that communism has existed since the dawn of man and is not limitied to leninism is a FACT not an opinion.
Evidence?
As I said, neolithic and mesolithic populations worked together in communities, mens haring the work of hunting and gathering and women sharing the work of child rearing at the village. All hunted was as equally distributed as possible. Humanity naturally worked together before they could survive on their own (or at least they THOUGHT they could) with agriculture.
That's totally different from Marxist communism, though.
Its still communism.
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Leninism and Stalinism were built on Marxism.
Yet Stalinism is nothing like marxism... leninism, yes.
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And Marxism is built around the idea of control at gunpoint--
Uhhh... I never read that.
[quoote]if you aren't for the nation, you're against it.[/quote]
That would be nationalism, which is incredibely absent from marxism. Marxists believe in a global revolution against all nations...
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That makes you a threat. Oppose and die.
That's how Communism actually WORKS.
This may be true in some forms of communism, but surely not marxism. Especially considering participation in marxist economies is voluntary.
Someone needs to actually learn what marxism is...
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And Hitler wasn't creating a communist nation.
Who said he was?
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He believed in facism
FaSism... why can't anyone every spell that right?!
And he was actually a National Socialist which has differences from fascism, but its the same idea.
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and was a TOTALITARIN dictator. And he stole the idea of facism from Mussolini.
Actually, he worked with Mussolini... you can't really "steal" an idea, unless he claimed to have made it, but he didn't even claim to be a fascist.
When we were discussing this in my History class, it was said that Hitler didn't actually want to kill the Jews. He just wanted to make their life absolutely miserable so they would just leave Germany.
When they didn't leave, he started to panic, and people close to him, advisors, the S.S., other sadistic psychos around him, thought up the Final Solution and submitted it for his approval.
Thats plausible. The "purification of the Aryan race" didn't necissarily have to invovle the slaughter of "unpure" but just their deportation, which was the original plan, I believe.
Hitler really was a puppet, jsut a vessel to get the nazis in power and keep them there. Completely disposable, as was shown by the attempt on his life. He was an image, not a ruler.
