Excuse me, but where the fuck did you get that from???
yeah, I was thinking the same thing, if you have an opinion like that, you need to back it up...
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
May 6th, 2006 at 01:11pm
druscilla_armstrong:
I'm not listing them, but putting them into categories because it's impossible for me to put them in order.
Guilty as Charged
3. Hitler
2. Minor Nazi Soldiers
6. Top SS officers who designed and executed the 'Final Solution' for Hitler 10. The Jewish God
Leaning toward guilty, but no where near as guilty as the others
1. Residents of towns near concentration camps who knew about them but did nothing to stop them
4. People who voted for Hitler and the Nazi Party to revitalize their morally and economically depressed country
7. Non-Jewish Europeans who turned against their Jewish friends and citizens, fearing they'd be imprisioned as Jewish sympathizers
8.Leaders of the Allied countries who had evidence of the Holocaust but refused to get involved or voice opposition
9. Churches of all denominations who remained silent and refused to intevene
"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke
Not guilty
5. The Jews who did not try to escape
and who told you that jewel of information? I was watching a programme just a few nights ago and the English started gassing jews while they were in england, in the victorian times.
Minority_Under_Dog Falling In Love With The Board Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 6967
May 6th, 2006 at 01:24pm
I just went to the holocost museum on thursday and I also have been studying it in history. It seems as if parts of europe are to blame. They kept siging treaties and deals with hitler even after they know he'd break them. They basically gave him one thing he needed....time. he had more time to gather followers (which then lead to an army) and more time to prepare for what he was going to do. Hitler wasn't stupid (he knew about army and stuff, but yes his ideas were VERY STPUID with getting ride of people who were different)
Maybe if the countries stopped Hitler in his earlier time, this wouldn't have happened.
I just went to the holocost museum on thursday and I also have been studying it in history. It seems as if parts of europe are to blame. They kept siging treaties and deals with hitler even after they know he'd break them. They basically gave him one thing he needed....time. he had more time to gather followers (which then lead to an army) and more time to prepare for what he was going to do. Hitler wasn't stupid (he knew about army and stuff, but yes his ideas were VERY STPUID with getting ride of people who were different)
Maybe if the countries stopped Hitler in his earlier time, this wouldn't have happened.
I wouldnt say the European's were to blame, Hitler was very decieving.
Brendon Urie.. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 2394
May 6th, 2006 at 02:50pm
Magne:
druscilla_armstrong:
I'm not listing them, but putting them into categories because it's impossible for me to put them in order.
Guilty as Charged
3. Hitler
2. Minor Nazi Soldiers
6. Top SS officers who designed and executed the 'Final Solution' for Hitler 10. The Jewish God
Leaning toward guilty, but no where near as guilty as the others
1. Residents of towns near concentration camps who knew about them but did nothing to stop them
4. People who voted for Hitler and the Nazi Party to revitalize their morally and economically depressed country
7. Non-Jewish Europeans who turned against their Jewish friends and citizens, fearing they'd be imprisioned as Jewish sympathizers
8.Leaders of the Allied countries who had evidence of the Holocaust but refused to get involved or voice opposition
9. Churches of all denominations who remained silent and refused to intevene
"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke
Not guilty
5. The Jews who did not try to escape
and who told you that jewel of information? I was watching a programme just a few nights ago and the English started gassing jews while they were in england, in the victorian times.
Sorry, but you lost me.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
May 6th, 2006 at 03:06pm
druscilla_armstrong:
Sorry, but you lost me.
She wants to know who the hell told you the Jewish god was to blame for the holocaust.
You shouldn't say things like that, you could really upset some of the jewish people on here.
Brendon Urie.. King For A Couple Of Days Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 2394
May 6th, 2006 at 03:11pm
I know who the Jewish God is.
I just think that God should stop suffering if he really gives a damn.
I just think that God should stop suffering if he really gives a damn.
just out of curiosity, are you Jewish?
NeoSteph Basket Case Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 16494
May 6th, 2006 at 08:14pm
Minority_Under_Dog:
I just went to the holocost museum on thursday and I also have been studying it in history. It seems as if parts of europe are to blame. They kept siging treaties and deals with hitler even after they know he'd break them. They basically gave him one thing he needed....time. he had more time to gather followers (which then lead to an army) and more time to prepare for what he was going to do. Hitler wasn't stupid (he knew about army and stuff, but yes his ideas were VERY STPUID with getting ride of people who were different)
Maybe if the countries stopped Hitler in his earlier time, this wouldn't have happened.
ok props to you for taking an interest in the subject, but thats not how it happened.
Hitler didn't build an army he took over the existing German one, when Hindenberg died. By the time so called treaties were being signed, he already controlled all of the austrian and german forces.
Apart from Austria who alined themselves with Germany, although it can be debated whether or not it was a hostile takeover. Every other european country was given no choice, they were taken over. Italy stayed neutral and allowed german and british forces to use their land.
But your right Hitler could of been stopped before the polish takeover. The Rhidn land in france use to be German territory it was given to the french as a part of a referendum of the treaty of versaile, however in the earlier days of Nazi control Hitler sent in troops to retrieve the land when he had very little following, French and British troops did nothing to stop him.
NeoSteph Basket Case Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 16494
May 6th, 2006 at 08:23pm
NeoSteph:
spill_no_sick:
4 and 3
the only ones to blame because the rest couldn't do anything (10 could but we needed to know that we couldn't trust the whole world to disarm and we couldn't put full trust in any political leader
hmmm I would have to disagree with both your choices.
The Nazi party was voted in under extreme circumstances, where the voting public were given little choice Nazism was the only option at that time. Though Hitler made his anti-semtism feelings known the full extent of that tirade was not unleashed until 3 years after the voting booth had shut, by then it was a dictatorship. In fact a percentage of Nazi supporters were Jewish, believing Hitler semite remarks were personal rather than part of the regime. Though Jews were at the fore front of persucution a further 6 million people (3 million poles) were murdered. I don't believe tha apathy and ignorance of the voting public is to blame for the Holocaust.
Though Hitler was for policies that persacuted Jews, It was th accountant power of Joesph Goebbels and the brute strength and terror of Himmler that led to the destruction of Jews. Goebbels bled the jews dry of all resources, the initial plan was to deport all Jews to Madagascar however that became impossible after the war had started.
The Wansee conference decided that fate of the jews (please note Hitler was not present) the Buraeocrats of the SS (including Heydrich and Himmler) decided that extermination of the J race was the only 'natural' road to take. Hitler gave his consent to this but the 'Final Solution' was not his doing.
Hitler had very little to do with the policies of the Nazi party, he was merely a good speaker and a figurehead, towards the end when the deportation of the ghetto's had begun, because of the losing war Hitler was in no position to argue against his own generals.
So in fact, one could argue that Hitler had as much to do with the holocaust as the people in the villages who did nothing.
*in direction to those who keep ignoring facts and mention hitler as the mastermind*
and too the person who thinks god is the reason behind all suffering...
The only people who blame god for misgiving are those who cannot take responcibility for their actions. God created the world, we're the ones fucking it up.
Sara. This Board Is My Home Age: - Gender: - Posts: 31155
May 6th, 2006 at 10:45pm
Persanlly I Think The People Who Didn't Try To Stop It Before It Happened. (In Other Words Number 1) They All Had The Ability To Stop It Yet Didn't.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
May 7th, 2006 at 04:45am
Dust Bunny:
Persanlly I Think The People Who Didn't Try To Stop It Before It Happened. (In Other Words Number 1) They All Had The Ability To Stop It Yet Didn't.
You wouldn't have, though, would you?.
Didn't think so.
Those people couldn't stop it, so don't blame them. They were just innocents caught up in this, people who were too afraid to help. If you were in their position you wouldn't have helped them, so...
Persanlly I Think The People Who Didn't Try To Stop It Before It Happened. (In Other Words Number 1) They All Had The Ability To Stop It Yet Didn't.
You wouldn't have, though, would you?.
Didn't think so.
Those people couldn't stop it, so don't blame them. They were just innocents caught up in this, people who were too afraid to help. If you were in their position you wouldn't have helped them, so...
That isnt fair to say, you don't know how someone would have acted or wouldnt have acted, some people did help and some people helped the Jews who didnt escape go inot hiding and some people helped them escape.
Matt Smith Admin Age: 32 Gender: Female Posts: 31134
May 7th, 2006 at 12:55pm
I_worship_tre_Cool:
That isnt fair to say, you don't know how someone would have acted or wouldnt have acted, some people did help and some people helped the Jews who didnt escape go inot hiding and some people helped them escape.
And it isn't fair to blame the people who didn't- read one of NeoSteph's posts on that.
Some people helped. Some people saved lives. The vast majority of them died.
Its all right for you to sit there, behind your computer, and say 'oh I would have done something' from the comfort of your own home, but when the time came how many of you would have risked your lives, your families lives and your friends lives all for the sake of a couple of people?
That isnt fair to say, you don't know how someone would have acted or wouldnt have acted, some people did help and some people helped the Jews who didnt escape go inot hiding and some people helped them escape.
And it isn't fair to blame the people who didn't- read one of NeoSteph's posts on that.
Some people helped. Some people saved lives. The vast majority of them died.
Its all right for you to sit there, behind your computer, and say 'oh I would have done something' from the comfort of your own home, but when the time came how many of you would have risked your lives, your families lives and your friends lives all for the sake of a couple of people?
Did I say that? No, all I said was that saying no one helped out is a lie, no one can say how they would or wouldnt have acted. The vast majority didnt help, and I undersatdn why, but those who did help shouldnt be treated as if they didnt exist.
Lucifers Angel King For A Couple Of Days Age: - Gender: Female Posts: 4751
May 7th, 2006 at 03:24pm
druscilla_armstrong:
I know who the Jewish God is.
I just think that God should stop suffering if he really gives a damn.
right to me and only to me, there is a good god and there is also a bad god (satan if you wish) and they are consantly fighting and we has people have to decided which way to go.
ppl go on all the time about hitler and the holocaust......but never say anything about other things.........like during the vietnam war over 3 million asians wer killed......80% of whom were innocents
I hope I'm not, like, offending anyone by talking about this subject, but we're studying the Holocaust and school, and my teacher was talking about who was responsible for the Holocaust. There was 10 choices, I think. It got me thinking, and I was wondering, what order would you put the 10 choices in, from least responsible to most responsible, and why? The choices were:
1. Residents of towns near concentration camps who knew about them but did nothing to stop them
2. Minor Nazi Soldiers
3. Hitler
4. People who voted for Hitler and the Nazi Party to revitalize their morally and economically depressed country
5. The Jews who did not try to escape
6. Top SS officers who designed and executed the 'Final Solution' for Hitler
7. Non-Jewish Europeans who turned against their Jewish friends and citizens, fearing they'd be imprisioned as Jewish sympathizers
8.Leaders of the Allied countries who had evidence of the Holocaust but refused to get involved or voice opposition
9. Churches of all denominations who remained silent and refused to intevene
aaaannnnddd
10. The Jewish God
So, what do you think?
More than just jews died in the holocaust... the west tends to overlook this. The Nazis were out to end communism. Hey... whaddya know... so is the west. Maybe they've got something to hide?
Anyway, I digress. I think number 9 is a completely innaccurate statement, but I do blame the church. The churches did MUCH more than remain silent. There were many bishops and such in Germany that spoke out against the nazis, but the nazis couldn't remove them because of PR. The Catholic Church itself helped Nazi officials escape to South America after the war was over. The Catholic Church has encouraged anti-semitic and anti-communist attitudes that lead to the slaughter of jews, communists, socialists, anarchists, and others.
NeoSteph Basket Case Age: 36 Gender: Female Posts: 16494
May 9th, 2006 at 11:25am
punk_rock_fan_1988:
ppl go on all the time about hitler and the holocaust......but never say anything about other things.........like during the vietnam war over 3 million asians wer killed......80% of whom were innocents
I've made a thread on vietnam, but it's liek on page 8 or something.
